Extra FreeView channels??????

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lannykaster

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#81702 16-Apr-2011 18:08

hi there. loving SBS/1 that i added to my FreeView box.... does anyone know if you can recieve Channel 7 from Australia?????

what other potential channels might i be missing out on??

old3eyes

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#459509 16-Apr-2011 19:09

Have a look thru here
https://www.freeviewshop.co.nz/forum/index.php/board,2.0.html

I suspect not unless you have a sat box that can receive those ozz stations and maybe the correct sat dish as well.

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lannykaster

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#459523 16-Apr-2011 20:00

i have just a basic FreeView satellite box...... it IS a "freeviw approved" one (damn it!), so no such thing as a 'blind scan'... you got to manually punch the numbers in, which i managed to do to recieve SBS/1 and SBS/2

i was just wondering is it possible to get other Australian channels if you just have this basic setup?

i'm not a whizz with things thing, especially when people start dropping lingo and the like..... but if it's kinda a "step by step" process, i'll have no problem :P

xarqi

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Ultimate Geek

#459630 17-Apr-2011 11:10

If your box can handle DVB-S2, you can get 3 Channel 9 services from 12398V SR 11909 FEC 2/3 8PSK

Edit:
D'oh!
Sorry - I just realised that you already know this from the other thread.

lannykaster

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#459742 17-Apr-2011 15:21

but what do i actually need to do to make my reciever get these channels???
how do i edit etc. lol. i think i will have to add another

i managed to get the two SBS ones, but it took quite a while.

do you know the exact numbers i need to recieve the channels????

SBS is broadcast between 12456 and 12483, thats what i created when i made a "user satellite", then i edited a new frequency: SBS = 12646 / 12600 / Vertical
then the APID VPID and PCR were 81, 161, 161

this guy posted a step-by-step guide to getting it here, http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=83&topicid=40511

xarqi

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#459749 17-Apr-2011 15:31

What model receiver do you have? That may help in providing specific instructions.

For it to work for the Ch9 services, it must handle DVB-S2, and not just DVB-S, so check that.

If you are getting SBS, that is on the same polarisation as Ch9, so you must have a system capable of handling different polarisations, so that is OK.

The key information you need to enter to get your box to "see" these services is:
Encoding: DVB-S2
Frequency: 12398
Polarisation: Vertical (V)
Symbol rate: 11909
FEC: 2/3
Modulation: 8PSK

Somewhere there will be a tuner set up interface page for your box that will let you enter these - probably the same way you set up SBS.

lannykaster

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#459752 17-Apr-2011 15:34

it's just a bog-standard freeview receiver. I'm pretty sure it will just be DVB-S.
What would it need to be a DVB-S2????

xarqi

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#459759 17-Apr-2011 15:46

To receive DVB-S2, it has to have appropriate firmware (and possibly hardware - I'm not sure).

The manual for the box should have a list of specifications - look there to see if DVB-S2 is listed along with DVB-S. Given the make and model, it's something that others may also be able to research or answer, but "bog standard" won't help with that.

Alternatively, if you try to follow the tuning instructions for CH9, and it works, you can assume that it handles DVB-S2, but the converse is not necessarily true - you can't assume that failure to receive the services is because the box doesn't handle DVB-S2. Something else may be wrong in the set up.

cyril7

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#459760 17-Apr-2011 15:49

Hi, something like this is needed, ie it supports DVB-S2, this is 2nd generation DVB-S standard that supports higher modulation level technology, ie 8PSK in particular. This technology is also used by Foxtel and SkyNZ for their HD transmissions (ie the MySky is DVB-S2)

Cyril

xarqi

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#459770 17-Apr-2011 16:19

OK - I'll go out on a bit of a limb here. I've looked quickly at the specs for the satellite boxes shown as approved on the Freeview site. None seem to support DVB-S2.

I guess that is in keeping with the (very unfortunate) fact that the Freeview platform was never intended to support HD by satellite.

You may be out of luck.

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#459771 17-Apr-2011 16:23

That is correct, the FreeView satellite service is explicitly only DVB-S, its was never intended to provide HD, not that you cannot do HD on DVB-S, just it would take a hit capacity wise.

The Satellite services was always intended to be a full coverage service using readily available and cheap MPEG2 decoders, that was cost effective for all citizens to access anywhere. Far cheaper than 400-500 little UHF repeaters all over the place filling every little hole in UHF coverage.

Cyril

hdinsider

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#461542 22-Apr-2011 11:21

It's a shame that Freeview satellite in NZ didn't go to DVB-S2 and H264 in the first place, but at the time of launch, there were no decoders with these specs available for the home market anywhere in the world. If Freeview DTH launched now, it would be a no-brainer to go DVB-S2 making HD possible.

Viewers moan about having to spend a few hundred dollars on a dish and box to upgrade away from analog as it is!

The DVB-S2 satellite feeds of CH9, GO! and GEM would appear to be terrestrial transmission site backup feeds and not intended to go direct to viewers. As soon as an alternative backup path becomes available they'll be gone because satellite space is so costly. The lack of encryption makes me think that they are only temporary, as does the really low bit rate for GEM, (HD MPEG2 at 10MB/s is only really good enough as a backup).

Enjoy them while they last if you have a DVB-S2 box!

don't mess with me.... i'm the hd insider....

Jarno

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#461629 22-Apr-2011 16:46

One must take into account that the DVB-S service existed many years before Freeview. So there already was a base of DVB-S users, particularly in the areas which had no or poor terrestrial analogue reception.

old3eyes

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#461651 22-Apr-2011 18:40

Jarno: One must take into account that the DVB-S service existed many years before Freeview. So there already was a base of DVB-S users, particularly in the areas which had no or poor terrestrial analogue reception.

I thought all those users had Sky..

Regards,

Old3eyes