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Topic # 185257 16-Nov-2015 10:39
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Anyone know what is going on with this?
My Windows 10 Enterprise at work is stuck on 10240 which is apparently the new LTSB branch. WSUS is not offering an update to 10586 which is the november update/threshold 2. All I have found is that there is supposed to be a product called windows update for business which allows you to set up the branches your business uses. It does not seem to exist and I can't find a download or a cloud service for it. Do we have to grab the latest 1511/10586 media from the partner portal and update or create new install media?




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  Reply # 1428791 16-Nov-2015 11:52
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In WSUS make sure that you have the Windows 10 products selected and then you should find a listing called "Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 (KB3105211)". Approve that and then make sure that you're on the current branch rather than the long term servicing branch. Take a look at this to explain the difference. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt598226%28v=vs.85%29.aspx.

After that do a scan on the W10 machine which should trigger the download. Wait until the download finishes on the WSUS server and then do another scan to start the download install process.



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  Reply # 1428812 16-Nov-2015 12:20
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Cool, thanks. We have KB3105211 available and approved, but showing no computers  needing it. I am guessing this is because all our PC's are on LTSB and not current branch/current branch for business.
Will try get a copy of 10586 and see if the update tool for business is included in that. I can't find another way to change branches other than that tool.




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  Reply # 1428874 16-Nov-2015 12:56
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If you have the LTSB installed it will not offer you the update. 

See here for how the LTSB works http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/understanding-long-term-servicing-branch-and-current-branch-windows-10 

Basically you are on a low risk fork where you dont get the latest features that the rest of the Windows world gets. Your version is safe and stable. If you manually force the install be aware that it will take you off the LTSB build and on to the CB build.

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  Reply # 1428913 16-Nov-2015 13:54
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I'm fairly sure you can't switch from Enterprise to LTSB (or vice versa). Windows 10 LTSB is supplied on different media to Enterprise and is a stripped down version of Windows 10 that's designed for critical systems, e.g. medical, SCADA, kiosks, etc.

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  Reply # 1428915 16-Nov-2015 13:58
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Just curious is there a particular reason you want to move to 586?

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  Reply # 1428926 16-Nov-2015 14:17
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paulmilbank: Cool, thanks. We have KB3105211 available and approved, but showing no computers  needing it. I am guessing this is because all our PC's are on LTSB and not current branch/current branch for business.
Will try get a copy of 10586 and see if the update tool for business is included in that. I can't find another way to change branches other than that tool.


Do you have edge or Cortana? I don't think they were meant to be included in the LTSB.

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  Reply # 1428967 16-Nov-2015 15:02
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you can actually upgrade from LTSB to Current Branch by downloading newer media, ie you're on 10240 LTSB Enterprise now

You can download 10586 Enterprise and move off LTSB if you wish

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt574263(v=vs.85).aspx



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  Reply # 1429050 16-Nov-2015 16:27
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Just curious is there a particular reason you want to move to 586?


Mostly because newer is always bettercool... Not really, more just curious about the process now that it is all changing.




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  Reply # 1429054 16-Nov-2015 16:33
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nathan: you can actually upgrade from LTSB to Current Branch by downloading newer media, ie you're on 10240 LTSB Enterprise now

You can download 10586 Enterprise and move off LTSB if you wish

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt574263(v=vs.85).aspx


Thanks Nathan. That lines up with various blogs I have read. 10586 seems to be the build that includes these new settings around WU and a few other things. So much like previous upgrades on enterprise, you need to perform a clean/upgrade install, there is nothing offered through WSUS to do the upgrade. Only after upgrading will the option be there to choose update branches. Will see how it looks and works on the latest media from the partner portal soon.




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  Reply # 1429342 17-Nov-2015 08:27
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paulmilbank:
nathan: you can actually upgrade from LTSB to Current Branch by downloading newer media, ie you're on 10240 LTSB Enterprise now

You can download 10586 Enterprise and move off LTSB if you wish

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt574263(v=vs.85).aspx


Thanks Nathan. That lines up with various blogs I have read. 10586 seems to be the build that includes these new settings around WU and a few other things. So much like previous upgrades on enterprise, you need to perform a clean/upgrade install, there is nothing offered through WSUS to do the upgrade. Only after upgrading will the option be there to choose update branches. Will see how it looks and works on the latest media from the partner portal soon.


Enterprise LTSB has no update branches, by design, you only receive security updates

if you want to jump onto CB/CBB you need to jump off Enterprise LTSB and just go Enterprise.

Windows Update for Business is a service, it has no UI like you are looking for with WSUS.  The branches/rings/flights are controlled with GPO/policy etc.

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  Reply # 1429378 17-Nov-2015 08:46
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@Nathan - we used the windows 10 enterprise - the normal CBB brunch downloaded from VLSC and WSuS has KB3105211 approved but it say no windows 10 pc needed it, is there a way to update these pc to version 1511 with out having to revisit every pc?



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  Reply # 1429446 17-Nov-2015 10:20
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Just curious is there a particular reason you want to move to 586?


I thought of another reason we need to get on top of this on my way home last night. The company I work for is a software house, if we have to develop against edge browser and other windows features, we need it to be up to date. If we are stuck on some LTSB branch that will never see feature updates, that could become a problem for development. Would be good to get a solid answer on this now instead of after we have deployed the wrong branch to all our Devs.




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  Reply # 1429482 17-Nov-2015 10:45
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Just curious is there a particular reason you want to move to 586?


I thought of another reason we need to get on top of this on my way home last night. The company I work for is a software house, if we have to develop against edge browser and other windows features, we need it to be up to date. If we are stuck on some LTSB branch that will never see feature updates, that could become a problem for development. Would be good to get a solid answer on this now instead of after we have deployed the wrong branch to all our Devs.


what's the question?

it seems to me that you probably shouldn't have deployed LTSB in the first place :)

Easy enough fix, upgrade from 10240 Enterprise LTSB to 10586 Enterprise

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  Reply # 1429484 17-Nov-2015 10:49
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bagheera: @Nathan - we used the windows 10 enterprise - the normal CBB brunch downloaded from VLSC and WSuS has KB3105211 approved but it say no windows 10 pc needed it, is there a way to update these pc to version 1511 with out having to revisit every pc?


KB3105211 is a cumulative update for Windows 10 - its not Windows 10, Version 1511 (Build 10586) that you want to deploy

It would be great for us to understand is there some misinformation out there somewhere that says KB3105211 is the way to deploy build 10586

do you have a software distribution methodology?  how did you deploy Enterprise in the first place?

if you don't you could just use "setup.exe /auto upgrade"

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  Reply # 1429491 17-Nov-2015 11:01
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paulmilbank: I thought of another reason we need to get on top of this on my way home last night. The company I work for is a software house, if we have to develop against edge browser and other windows features, we need it to be up to date. If we are stuck on some LTSB branch that will never see feature updates, that could become a problem for development. Would be good to get a solid answer on this now instead of after we have deployed the wrong branch to all our Devs.


Are you sure that you're using the LTSB version of Windows 10? LTSB is more than just an updating branch - it's delivered on separate media and doesn't include any "modern" (metro) apps like Edge, Cortana, etc. If your Windows 10 PCs have the Edge browser then they aren't on the LTSB version.

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