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#458408 13-Apr-2011 19:51

maybe they can make australia into a big prison to put all the so called illegal downloaders lol oppps UK already tried that didnt they hehe

lets face it.. isps makes money from p2p-ers and directtv fans..

nulls liek this wont control it... web evolves p2p is a great way to freely share ideas and stuff you wont see otherwise on tv.. good example is zietgeist and 9.11 blueprint and wikileaks

they control the media what is fed into tour brains.. web open it up.. like they try to control.censor web in china and arab land.. but it always fails.

the only way to speed up web is not rid p2p but to improve the tech... geeh a freind up the road cant even get asdl cos no lines in the ground..

remember xvids not like dvd quality anyhow ... its no different if a friend DVRS stuff in uk or down the street and posts it to you to watch.. they once blocked dvr tech being made but in the end they accepted it must happen as vhs was dead.. and they knew it never been as good as blu ray or the next best thing to come out next.

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#458416 13-Apr-2011 20:03

A whole bunch of joe averages are going to get busted using public trackers to infringe on copyright.

It's going to be entertaining.

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#458420 13-Apr-2011 20:15

Most people I know that use P2P, use it for TV shows, more than movies - just because of the long delay in getting shows here.

I can see the local networks' dilemma though - the problem with TV shows is that in the USA especially they often take breaks of a week.. 2 weeks.. or more, for special events overseas. (Like awards shows, or sports playoffs etc).

For network programmers here, that's a problem - do you store-up episodes until you get enough to ride through these "off" weeks and screen a season in one go, or screen each episode ASAP and run the risk of confusing the audience with seemingly random interruptions to the weekly schedule?

I recall that Prime were quite prompt in screening the last series of Doctor Who, but in the UK that series screened once a week with no weeks off. It will be interesting to see what they do with this years 'broken in two' series with a reasonable gap between the two halves.

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#458424 13-Apr-2011 20:28

I hear they are making a new law whereby instead of being guilty upon accusation of breaching copyright laws you are summarily executed.

I also here that the new law is required to make NZ more inline with other countries such as mainland China, Communist Russia and Nazi Germany.

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#458428 13-Apr-2011 20:35

Broadcasters are clinging to their obsolete business models for dear life and aren't providing what consumers want (fast fairly priced on demand content).

Copyright infringement is just people routing around annoying artifical scarcity crap like regional delays, differential pricing and so forth.

Hulu and Netflix are showing the way in the US, hopefully they aren't strangled by lobbyists/politics etc.

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#458433 13-Apr-2011 20:46

Ragnor: Broadcasters are clinging to their obsolete business models for dear life and aren't providing what consumers want (fast fairly priced on demand content).

Copyright infringement is just people routing around annoying artifical scarcity crap like regional delays, differential pricing and so forth.

Hulu and Netflix are showing the way in the US, hopefully they aren't strangled by lobbyists/politics etc.

Sadly we don't appear to be getting anything like Netflix or Hulu here. Here in NZ we don't get a lot of content. The reason people here pirate is because we can't get the TV shows in a timely manner otherwise. Btw is it causing the content owner a financial loss if I was never going to pay for the content in the first place? (at least not pay their exorbitant prices). What annoys me the most about this law is that it's guild upon accusation.

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#458441 13-Apr-2011 21:20

Hold the phone here - people expect to be able to download free copies of software, music, tv shows, and movies when its clearly obvious that its not free to make these? I work at a computer shop and I forbid anyone, including my BOSS, from installing or copying pirated anything while I'm around, because all it does is increase the price of the software and reduce the quality.

I have family in the music business, and if he can't make a living off his music, then why make it. We will end up with D class music, TV, and movies then complain that they are crap ...

Oh, and as for software, I am typing this on Firefox, loaded on Ubuntu 10.10, but Windows 7 and Mac OS still kick its butt on a majority of things (compatability, support), and that software is not free ...

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#458443 13-Apr-2011 21:23

lokhor:

Sadly we don't appear to be getting anything like Netflix or Hulu here. Here in NZ we don't get a lot of content. The reason people here pirate is because we can't get the TV shows in a timely manner otherwise. Btw is it causing the content owner a financial loss if I was never going to pay for the content in the first place? (at least not pay their exorbitant prices). What annoys me the most about this law is that it's guild upon accusation.

Umm.. I think it MAY cause a loss for the content owner, but in a roundabout way.

If a TV show has a smaller audience in NZ as a result of downloads, that effects the advertising rate that can be charged by the NZ network screening it. They can't charge as much to advertisers for a lower audience.

So the network has less money.

Then, at the next round of program rights negotiations, the NZ TV network has less money to spend on TV rights, so the program producers get less money for the rights to screen their show in New Zealand.

Now if downloads effect TV audiences across all networks - Prime, TV3, TVNZ, you name it - then they all have less money for buying program rights.. so the makers & sellers of the programs lose out.

Then there's the situation where someone downloads a show, so they don't bother to buy the DVD of the show (when it's released)... another loss to the show's makers.

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#458451 13-Apr-2011 21:36

so it's downloads killing the music industry and CD sales? I thought it was crap music, and the advent of things like iTunes?

Watching the debate on Parliament TV right now is cringeworthy, these guys seem way out of their depth.

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#458454 13-Apr-2011 21:43

Ragnor: A whole bunch of joe averages are going to get busted using public trackers to infringe on copyright.

It's going to be entertaining.

Yip, this will have very little impact on heavy p2p users. All we will see in the news is how some poor mum & dad got fined for little Timmy downloading a Justin Beiber CD.

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#458462 13-Apr-2011 22:01

Here's a quote taken from the NZ Herald article. I can't understand why so many people are so upset about this Bill when it's clear that it will take a long time for people to be disconnected, and seems to be a last resort:

"Late last year Parliament's Commerce select committee came up with a replacement which went some way toward addressing concerns.

While the ability for copyright holders to apply to have repeat offenders disconnected remains in the legislation, it will not come into effect unless after two years it is shown that other less severe sanctions are ineffective.

Those sanctions include warning notices from ISPs to their customers informing them they have infringed copyright, and an extension of the Copyright Tribunal's jurisdiction to provide a fast-track, low-cost process to hear illegal file sharing claims."

I appreciate that in some cases account holders may not be aware of what's going on, either due to family members or flatmates downloading stuff, or their own network being insecure, but being disconnected is certainly not the first action that will be taken.

So I can't understand why people are on here saying they hate this country or it's an attack on democracy or they're going to switch to Labour because of it. Really?

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#458465 13-Apr-2011 22:09

Yeah, what I do appose is small business being held accountable for what their customers do. I am about run my own computer repair business, but if a customers computer comes in with torrent software, and reboots after a windows update, usually starting the torrent client on start up, would that mean its my fault because my customers computer downloaded it on my connection and I didn't disable their torrent software?

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#458469 13-Apr-2011 22:15

Guessing I better get rid of itunes based on what Katrina Shanks said in the house a lil while ago

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#458471 13-Apr-2011 22:17

foremannz: Yeah, what I do appose is small business being held accountable for what their customers do. I am about run my own computer repair business, but if a customers computer comes in with torrent software, and reboots after a windows update, usually starting the torrent client on start up, would that mean its my fault because my customers computer downloaded it on my connection and I didn't disable their torrent software?

make it explicit that customers must disable torrenting software otherwise they incur a charge to disable and accept liability by incurring the charge (ianal but at least you use the scare tactic).

look - this statement is neither support nor objection to the argument, just a suggestion to the poster.

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#458475 13-Apr-2011 22:28

DjShadow: Guessing I better get rid of itunes based on what Katrina Shanks said in the house a lil while ago

I'm pretty sure she said 'a legal download source', not 'illegal download source'

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