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#683931 10-Sep-2012 15:43

Oh absolutely, just makes me chuckle that's all. Seems a bit '90s. :)

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#683933 10-Sep-2012 15:45

tdgeek: Hee. It's a common funny way been around for yonks. Seems every major player has one?
Apple = iSheep and iToy
Android = Wild west
Microsoft =Micro$oft

All tongue in cheek for me, they are all big players which is all good

You missed iDiot :)

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#683962 10-Sep-2012 16:23

I missed iGalaxy too... :-)

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#683982 10-Sep-2012 16:34

StarBlazer: I was reading the history of Apple on Wikipedia and saw this;
Microsoft continued to gain market share with Windows, focusing on delivering software to cheap commodity personal computers while Apple was delivering a richly engineered, but expensive, experience. Apple relied on high profit margins and never developed a clear response. Instead they sued Microsoft for using a graphical user interface similar to the Apple Lisa in Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation. The lawsuit dragged on for years before it was finally dismissed. At the same time, a series of major product flops and missed deadlines sullied Apple's reputation, and Sculley was replaced by Michael Spindler.

Replace Microsoft with Samsung and it would appear history is repeating itself.

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I think Apple would have learnt from its mistakes and looking at the number of phones Samsung is putting out there.. (and killing Apple's business).. Apple would have come far more prepared into the Arena.. and not prepared to have the case dismissed this time..

But yeah I agree with you.. just like microsoft (back then) samsung is just sky rocketting in their products and it may end up a repeat of history unless Apple does some serious damage control and looks forward..

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#684011 10-Sep-2012 17:49

Bit different this time, Apple have a crap load of money and won't require a few hundred million from MS just to stay afloat. And the fan base they have now is much bigger than it was with their products then, plus they have some degree of vendor lock in with the apple store and itunes.

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#684024 10-Sep-2012 18:10

iSheep, iDiot, iGalaxy!!!!

Careful cherubs, you will have the Apple patent lawyers after your family inheritance next :)

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#684029 10-Sep-2012 18:22

ibuksh:

But yeah I agree with you.. just like microsoft (back then) samsung is just sky rocketting in their products and it may end up a repeat of history unless Apple does some serious damage control and looks forward..

So, what is the real issue? Your Android fans, Android is about 65% market share, so I don't follow why there is still such a need to criticise Apple users? Apple is about 16% market share, so as far as I can see, why bother worrying about Apple? I say this scratching my head.

Thanks Cyril, your "contribution" is gratefully recieved.

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#684045 10-Sep-2012 18:49

To add to my "Contribution", I should point out that I am an Android fan, I have moved whole large corporate enterprises onto the Google eco system, but with one particular corporate they dictated that iOS was to be the sales staff device of choice, not rigidly dictated but definitely preferred.

What is interesting is the number of staff that clearly dont want to follow the sheep so elect to use Android devices.

End result is I have a large number of sale staff that predominantly use iOS devices, but I also have a large number that use Android devices (mostly SGS series) and in general the Android users gain a much better experience, however iOS users dont suffer and to be quite honest with older sales staff (realtors here) iOS is much more straight forward and if correctly configured to use Google services via the Exchange/mapi interface work very well.

I honestly feel and think that much of the negative energy that Apple have generated with this legal activity will at some point back fire. Samsung have clearly flaunted basic licensing requirements, but tell me of a tech company that has not. But honestly there is a lot of stuff here that should never have arrived at the patent office.

As someone who in the past has been involved in a number of bleeding edge projects (wireless design type stuff) that could have easily past patent expectations, but never got there because in true kiwi fashion its easier just to get on with hitting the market and making hay while the sun shines than waste money with lawyers that ONLY EVER IS OF BENEFIT TO THEM.

Sorry for shouting, but over the years spent more wasted time and energy with lawyers than I really care to remember, sorry tdgeek but I am sure your a good chap but not all lawyers are so pleasnt.

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#684064 10-Sep-2012 19:20

cyril7: To add to my "Contribution", I should point out that I am an Android fan, I have moved whole large corporate enterprises onto the Google eco system, but with one particular corporate they dictated that iOS was to be the sales staff device of choice, not rigidly dictated but definitely preferred.

What is interesting is the number of staff that clearly dont want to follow the sheep so elect to use Android devices.

End result is I have a large number of sale staff that predominantly use iOS devices, but I also have a large number that use Android devices (mostly SGS series) and in general the Android users gain a much better experience, however iOS users dont suffer and to be quite honest with older sales staff (realtors here) iOS is much more straight forward and if correctly configured to use Google services via the Exchange/mapi interface work very well.

I honestly feel and think that much of the negative energy that Apple have generated with this legal activity will at some point back fire. Samsung have clearly flaunted basic licensing requirements, but tell me of a tech company that has not. But honestly there is a lot of stuff here that should never have arrived at the patent office.

As someone who in the past has been involved in a number of bleeding edge projects (wireless design type stuff) that could have easily past patent expectations, but never got there because in true kiwi fashion its easier just to get on with hitting the market and making hay while the sun shines than waste money with lawyers that ONLY EVER IS OF BENEFIT TO THEM.

Sorry for shouting, but over the years spent more wasted time and energy with lawyers than I really care to remember, sorry tdgeek but I am sure your a good chap but not all lawyers are so pleasnt.

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Tks for that Cyril, and the detail in your post.

I know many on both platforms, all demographics, but while I am quite aware of the pros and cons of both, all I ever read is sheep comments. Its quite bizarre, and seems 90% emotive rather then A vs B. Given that these type of Android users have what they want , like it, has a 65% market share, why do they have this need to criticise Apple? Its not the court case, thats not relevant. So what is it? Really, what Apple does phone wise should be of little more than passing tech interest, but it isn't. Its deep seated, when in reality its of low relevance to Android users

I don't see the case back firing, these cases are not new. Some say it will backfire on Samsung, but I dont see it making any difference to either company. Its high profile to us, but its just another IT patent case, like many before. I expect the appeal to back track on the poor way the case was handled, re the jury location, swift verdict. I am hoping that this case may cause a review of patents, as all IT players have them and use them, always been like that.

Re sheep, I am sure there are many who buy Apple so "I got an iPhone" And those who buy Android, as "Apple sux, I hate Steve Jobs" But, some of us know both platforms, and for me, iOS ticks more of my boxes. Just seems difficult to have a sound convo over them without it ending in insults. I prefer not to stoop to that (not referring to you, just to the odd comment from time to time)

If the iDevices were poorly built, laggy, buggy, and cannot do most things online, that would be a fair point, but thats not the case.

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#684080 10-Sep-2012 20:07

Yep totally agree, while I am a android fan, if left out on on a limb with an iOS device I would not be bothered, they are quite capable devices from a smartphone perspective.

Personally as someone who has several patents to my name, several which pertain to smart power meters, I, as a number 8 type chap find it hard to see how such obvious stuff is seen as private intellectual property that needs such protection, then again, thats why my kids will not inherit much, and I will drift into retirement with little to show for my life.

The lawyers who provisioned my patents, well hell, thats another story :)

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#684093 10-Sep-2012 20:31

cyril7: Yep totally agree, while I am a android fan, if left out on on a limb with an iOS device I would not be bothered, they are quite capable devices from a smartphone perspective.

Personally as someone who has several patents to my name, several which pertain to smart power meters, I, as a number 8 type chap find it hard to see how such obvious stuff is seen as private intellectual property that needs such protection, then again, thats why my kids will not inherit much, and I will drift into retirement with little to show for my life.

The lawyers who provisioned my patents, well hell, thats another story :)

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So you have patents! Yes, I agree. Patents have a place to reward innovation, but in IT, a new thing becomes standard quickly. I assume that patent law is largely unchanged, but hopefully that will self resolve if a big case happens again.

I like Android, but I find, at least for me, that the closed ecosystem helps apps become generally of sound quality. A key for me is integration, my 4S, iPad3, Apple TV, iTunes, Wintel laptop, and HDTV are all easily integrated, and while Android can do that as well, the one shop that makes everything does benefit in that respect. I don't tend to play or tinker with customisations, otherwise my choice would differ. Good on those who enjoy that. I threw off my Jailbreak for that reason. They all do the same tasks, some are done differently. Others can be added with JB if needed. But at the end of the day, tick the boxes choose your preference.

If I found functions that I want or may want that I cannot do, I may revisit, or JB. I guess my main beef with some Android users is I'm happy, your happy, whats the issue?

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#684100 10-Sep-2012 20:52

If I found functions that I want or may want that I cannot do, I may revisit, or JB. I guess my main beef with some Android users is I'm happy, your happy, whats the issue?

Quite the point, and the Apple lawyers (and all in that arena I suspect) have quite an aroused level of interest in this caper, which is quite un-healthy me suspects which can only lead to tears for tech folk (both sides) and full pockets for lawyers.

Cyril, cynical but true!

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#684146 10-Sep-2012 22:00

cyril7:
If I found functions that I want or may want that I cannot do, I may revisit, or JB. I guess my main beef with some Android users is I'm happy, your happy, whats the issue?

Quite the point, and the Apple lawyers (and all in that arena I suspect) have quite an aroused level of interest in this caper, which is quite un-healthy me suspects which can only lead to tears for tech folk (both sides) and full pockets for lawyers.

Cyril, cynical but true!

Hard to say. Tears as in lowering competition or innovation?

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#684567 11-Sep-2012 19:04

Did anyone just see the Burger King muffin advert? I wonder if McDonalds is going to go all Apple on their ass!

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#685784 13-Sep-2012 21:02

motorwayne: Gulity? />
Both decisions for Apple.

1 billion, 51 million 855 thousand dollars

Samsung balance sheet looks around US$136 million?

This is going to hurt possibly terminal.

Possibly terminal? I lol dontI think so. Not even close

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