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#2118900 3-Nov-2018 11:15

You suggested I wanted to watch everything on Sky for $8. That was making something up.

A data stream can contain whatever content is put into it. If you watch Sky on satellite, you are presented with a number of channels that you can switch between, according to the subscription you have paid. My thought was to transfer that approach directly to streaming, with a separate stream for each channel. I don't know if that is technically sensible, though I don't see why not. The point of doing it this way would be that access to each channel could be easily controlled, enabling viewers to pay for the ones they want and to be excluded from the ones they haven't paid for. If it is not feasible or there are better ways of doing this, I am fine with that. It is just an idea based on the Kodi add-on model.

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#2122574 9-Nov-2018 10:13

Fox Sports (now part of Foxtel) just released a SVoD sport only offering. https://tvtonight.com.au/2018/11/kayo-sports-is-a-game-changer.html . It's AU$25 per month for two screens, $10 more for three. At AU$25, that's NZ$28 once converted and factoring in the higher GST. If Fan Pass or their new SVoD offering hit that price point (or something close) with similair features (all SS + ESPN channels, not just SS1-4), I'd sign up in a heart beat.

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#2146511 17-Dec-2018 12:04

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If Fan Pass or their new SVoD offering hit that price point (or something close) with similair features (all SS + ESPN channels, not just SS1-4).

Yeah what a crazy concept, give them something they're asking for and they might buy it!

The likes of Spotify and Netflix services are pitched at a price point I'm comfortable to pay for.

Am watching the Kayo Sports concept closely, and will consider 'appearing' to be in Austrarlia in order to get this.
At which point I'd still be paying for it, just from a country that actually offers the concept and package I'm asking for.

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#2148951 21-Dec-2018 16:25

Not sure if this needs a new thread but in short Sky have signed a new deal with Optus for Satellite capacity till 2031, the news story also refers to an "Android Puck" being released in the new year.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12181019&ref=NZH_Tw

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#2148985 21-Dec-2018 17:25

DjShadow:

Not sure if this needs a new thread but in short Sky have signed a new deal with Optus for Satellite capacity till 2031, the news story also refers to an "Android Puck" being released in the new year.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12181019&ref=NZH_Tw

Currently paying $34m pa for 7 transponders, so $200m over 10yrs sounds consistent with 4 transponders doesnt it?

And I notice that the announcement also says new STB's in late 2019, suggesting 4k broadcasts probably late 2019 too?

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#2149030 21-Dec-2018 19:33

What a waste of money, with ufb and rbi, and a android TV stb's getting so good and so cheap, if I was running sky I would ditch sat at 2021. It's pretty much end of life by then.

Sky need to focus on 4k delivery , a price attractive for millions of subscribers and availability on every device available to consumers.

People dont want another device , they want to install an app on the device they already have, and will continue to upgrade every few years as the tech gets better, how old is mysky hdi, 10 years? Its massive, clunky, not upgradable, not 4k, not attractive.

I left sky 3 years ago because they were a RIP off and no 4k support

It's nearly 2019 and they still have no 4k product , what a joke

No one cares about your satellite bro.

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#2149052 21-Dec-2018 20:10

sdavisnz: What a waste of money, with ufb and rbi, and a android TV stb's getting so good and so cheap, if I was running sky I would ditch sat at 2021. It's pretty much end of life by then.

Sky need to focus on 4k delivery , a price attractive for millions of subscribers and availability on every device available to consumers.

People dont want another device , they want to install an app on the device they already have, and will continue to upgrade every few years as the tech gets better, how old is mysky hdi, 10 years? Its massive, clunky, not upgradable, not 4k, not attractive.

I left sky 3 years ago because they were a RIP off and no 4k support

It's nearly 2019 and they still have no 4k product , what a joke

No one cares about your satellite bro.

Interesting viewpoint. Do you think that Freeview will abandon satellite when the current Optus sat reaches end of life, or will it look to renew capacity for another 10 years? Will Freeview rely on DTT, UFB and RBI such that its members can reach all households [Hint RBI spending $130m for the last 10,000 households vs $5m pa per transponder for broadcast satellite coverage]. Sky has indicated that it thinks satellite is the best method for reaching the last 200,000 households that it thinks will be poorly served by UFB - thats $20m pa for 200,000 households. Do the math. Does it make sense or should Sky tell those households that carriage is the householders problem?

WRT 4K - do you think Sky will lead broadcasters in 4K or follow Mediaworks and TVNZ? Hint Mediaworks went first on HD, then Sky and finally TVNZ. What financial benefit do you attribute to HD for those broadcasters and do you think this will positively or negatively impact their planning horizon? Do any broadcasters even stream in 4K? What degree of HD do they livestream in? Library? Why do you think that Sky will act any differently to those other broadcasters - and why?

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#2149054 21-Dec-2018 20:21

From the Herald article "Later in 2019, a fibre-friendly, app-only service is planned". So Sky promised in April this year that they will have an IP service by April next year. Not at all surprised (but disappointed) that this time line has slipped.

In the mean time, Kayo continues to get my coins for sport coverage.

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#2149055 21-Dec-2018 20:24

Sky UK broadcast in 4k

Some company in Japan broadcast in 8k.

Sky nz are bloody useless and probably wont adapt, and die.

Do I care if they die, no , its John fellers fault, he had enough people telling him how to succeed, but apparently he knew better and now it's too late, rwc 2019 on spark is the nail in the coffin.

They will bleed customers over that controversy. And the rest is history.

Let's hope spark have the technical skills to deliver 4k or they can go jump too.

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#2149058 21-Dec-2018 20:39

sdavisnz: Sky UK broadcast in 4k

Some company in Japan broadcast in 8k.

Foxtel also have a 4K channel that is free to customers with the Sports HD pack. Having said that, is 4K really a selling point? What percentage of house holds even have a 4K tv? And of those, how many actually care about HD vs 4K?

sdavisnz: Sky nz are bloody useless and probably wont adapt, and die.

Do I care if they die, no , its John fellers fault, he had enough people telling him how to succeed, but apparently he knew better and now it's too late, rwc 2019 on spark is the nail in the coffin.

They will bleed customers over that controversy. And the rest is history.

I disagree. Sky aren't going to lose any sleep about up-to seven All Black games every 4 years, especially given they aren't paying the millions for the rights. And other than 2015, RWC events have always been on FTA anyway.

What will be the nail in the coffin (and getting back on topic) is not releasing a SVoD service, separate from set top boxes. They are many years behind Foxtel, who have had Foxtel Now for years and launched Kayo last month. Neon and Fan Pass are littered with problems and technical issues.

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#2149074 21-Dec-2018 22:10

sdavisnz: Sky UK broadcast in 4k

Some company in Japan broadcast in 8k.

Sky nz are bloody useless and probably wont adapt, and die.

Do I care if they die, no , its John fellers fault, he had enough people telling him how to succeed, but apparently he knew better and now it's too late, rwc 2019 on spark is the nail in the coffin.

They will bleed customers over that controversy. And the rest is history.

Let's hope spark have the technical skills to deliver 4k or they can go jump too.

So other than the fact that it doesn't serve YOUR self interest, you have no real response to any of the questions I sought your opinion on?

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#2149075 21-Dec-2018 22:15

I love Sky threads; there are two types of posters:

The first offer up many reasons and examples of where Sky have well and truly dropped the ball when it comes to quality, service and customer focus.

The second argue tooth and nail 'valid' reasons why Sky needs to charge us significant cash each month for the privilege of remaining in 1980 (and, yes, we should be grateful).

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#2149079 21-Dec-2018 22:49

ockel:
sdavisnz: What a waste of money, with ufb and rbi, and a android TV stb's getting so good and so cheap, if I was running sky I would ditch sat at 2021. It's pretty much end of life by then.

Sky need to focus on 4k delivery , a price attractive for millions of subscribers and availability on every device available to consumers.

People dont want another device , they want to install an app on the device they already have, and will continue to upgrade every few years as the tech gets better, how old is mysky hdi, 10 years? Its massive, clunky, not upgradable, not 4k, not attractive.

I left sky 3 years ago because they were a RIP off and no 4k support

It's nearly 2019 and they still have no 4k product , what a joke

No one cares about your satellite bro.

Interesting viewpoint. Do you think that Freeview will abandon satellite when the current Optus sat reaches end of life, or will it look to renew capacity for another 10 years? Will Freeview rely on DTT, UFB and RBI such that its members can reach all households [Hint RBI spending $130m for the last 10,000 households vs $5m pa per transponder for broadcast satellite coverage]. Sky has indicated that it thinks satellite is the best method for reaching the last 200,000 households that it thinks will be poorly served by UFB - thats $20m pa for 200,000 households. Do the math. Does it make sense or should Sky tell those households that carriage is the householders problem?

WRT 4K - do you think Sky will lead broadcasters in 4K or follow Mediaworks and TVNZ? Hint Mediaworks went first on HD, then Sky and finally TVNZ. What financial benefit do you attribute to HD for those broadcasters and do you think this will positively or negatively impact their planning horizon? Do any broadcasters even stream in 4K? What degree of HD do they livestream in? Library? Why do you think that Sky will act any differently to those other broadcasters - and why?

Sorry, been distracted tonight.

Not sure about freeview sat, maybe that will stay, its probably pretty cheap as they didnt rent much space on it, being sd and all , I'm sure it's not the focus.

I think dtt will get more investment as it's still a relatively new tech for kiwis. It's probably got another 20 years in it.

On sky does it make sense to spend 20m for 200k people a year, no, if you want sport or movies you will find a way.

Do I think sky will lead in 4k, no as I said there useless, should they lead tvnz and mediaworks, yes, they have paying subscribers , money should equal quality, and a number of pixels on a screen is a number I look at.

I think most providers in NZ cheap out on the CDN, and it reflects in the quality of product, look at the players who invest in CDN like Netflix, 4k hdr no problem. Sure sport delivery is tougher, but when you reallocate 200million into a good CDN I'm sure it would do fine.

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#2149080 21-Dec-2018 22:51

dafman:
I love Sky threads; there are two types of posters:

The first offer up many reasons and examples of where Sky have well and truly dropped the ball when it comes to quality, service and customer focus.

The second argue tooth and nail 'valid' reasons why Sky needs to charge us significant cash each month for the privilege of remaining in 1980 (and, yes, we should be grateful).

Ha! Do you recall what television was like in 1980? When were vcrs introduced, when did TV3 start? I'm guessing that your answer will remain based in ignorance.

But for you personally what's more galling, that Sky intend to be around in 10 years time or that it intends to offer satellite broadcast for the next 10 years?

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#2149081 21-Dec-2018 22:53

Both.

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