Sky blames piracy for lost customers. Sky: it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

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#1932284 8-Jan-2018 16:35

I have always wondered if SKY TV staff in their HQ have to organise secret meetings to disscuss the latest show of whatever on demand / streaming content that they see from other providers.

Last I heard, it was two knocks of the water cooler and whisper 'timber'.

Hmm makes me wonder why shareholders havent called "timber" themselves...... theres a tree that may need felleting or at least demand some answers as to why they didnt jump on the tech train to the future (guessing sports is where they make the money and think they always will).

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#1932291 8-Jan-2018 17:00

Goosey:

I have always wondered if SKY TV staff in their HQ have to organise secret meetings to disscuss the latest show of whatever on demand / streaming content that they see from other providers.

Last I heard, it was two knocks of the water cooler and whisper 'timber'.

Hmm makes me wonder why shareholders havent called "timber" themselves...... theres a tree that may need felleting or at least demand some answers as to why they didnt jump on the tech train to the future (guessing sports is where they make the money and think they always will).

for now , i would guess that they are the only content/streaming provider in NZ that is making a sizable profit or any profit, so they must be doing something right.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1932292 8-Jan-2018 17:11

Goosey:

I have always wondered if SKY TV staff in their HQ have to organise secret meetings to disscuss the latest show of whatever on demand / streaming content that they see from other providers.

Last I heard, it was two knocks of the water cooler and whisper 'timber'.

Hmm makes me wonder why shareholders havent called "timber" themselves...... theres a tree that may need felleting or at least demand some answers as to why they didnt jump on the tech train to the future (guessing sports is where they make the money and think they always will).

From page 18 AGM report http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-website-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/attachments/SKT/308963/268036

NET PROFIT 2017 $116 Million.

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#1932305 8-Jan-2018 17:39

The second page of the report is telling, with net large customer losses in all units.

Looks like Sky is becoming the equivalent of Dick Smith; it was a powerhouse 10 years ago, but it's becoming irrelevant against its competitors.

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#1932339 8-Jan-2018 18:39

Sky chief executive John Fellet said then that "now was not the time for a massive conversion of its core business" to a video-on-demand model.

In related news, Joseph Hansom designer of the Hansom safety cab, stated that now was not the right time for a wholesale conversion of their business to the new horseless carriage. "We still believe that our innovative one-horse design, which has proved itself far superior to the hackney carriage, is what our customers continue to want as a transportation mode".

"We believe that Hansom cabs are what our customers really want, and don't consider that automobiles have what it takes to replace them", Joseph explained at a heated shareholders' meeting.

Various broadsheet commentators have stated that the internal combustion engine is an inferior product, and for the the occupants of London a nimble one-horse solution continues to provide the best transportation experience, as well as providing Londoners with cheap fertiliser for their rose gardens. They also noted that the two-year fixed-term contract with the Acme Oats Company meant that any investment in a shift away from horse drawn transport would be a financially risky proposition.

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#1932340 8-Jan-2018 18:41

kingdragonfly: The second page of the report is telling, with net large customer losses in all units.

Looks like Sky is becoming the equivalent of Dick Smith; it was a powerhouse 10 years ago, but it's becoming irrelevant against its competitors.

well it's not irrelevant for the 800,00 or so that still use it and again i cant understand the hate towards Sky and the hope they go under from people who would never use their services , i cant think of a another company in NZ were there is such irrational hate for the services they provide.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1932350 8-Jan-2018 18:51

JimmyH, I'd give you a plus 10, if I could!

Too funny!

Personally why I dislike Sky is they used their monopoly position to bully customers, lobbying for special laws that only benefit themselves, and lawyers to file frivolous lawsuits.

They had the advantage while they were a monopoly, but their overpaid CEO instead chose to squander the chance to improve their image and technology.

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#1932354 8-Jan-2018 19:18

JimmyH:
Sky chief executive John Fellet said then that "now was not the time for a massive conversion of its core business" to a video-on-demand model.

In related news, Joseph Hansom designer of the Hansom safety cab, stated that now was not the right time for a wholesale conversion of their business to the new horseless carriage. "We still believe that our innovative one-horse design, which has proved itself far superior to the hackney carriage, is what our customers continue to want as a transportation mode".

"We believe that Hansom cabs are what our customers really want, and don't consider that automobiles have what it takes to replace them", Joseph explained at a heated shareholders' meeting.

Various broadsheet commentators have stated that the internal combustion engine is an inferior product, and for the the occupants of London a nimble one-horse solution continues to provide the best transportation experience, as well as providing Londoners with cheap fertiliser for their rose gardens. They also noted that the two-year fixed-term contract with the Acme Oats Company meant that any investment in a shift away from horse drawn transport would be a financially risky proposition.

I would have to say John Fellet is right now is not the time for a massive conversion to a video on demand model now is 4 or 5 years too late so bye bye Sky.

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#1932355 8-Jan-2018 19:25

vexxxboy:

kingdragonfly: The second page of the report is telling, with net large customer losses in all units.

Looks like Sky is becoming the equivalent of Dick Smith; it was a powerhouse 10 years ago, but it's becoming irrelevant against its competitors.

well it's not irrelevant for the 800,00 or so that still use it and again i cant understand the hate towards Sky and the hope they go under from people who would never use their services , i cant think of a another company in NZ were there is such irrational hate for the services they provide.

You are honestly wasting your time. People aren't here for logical reasons, they are a crowd of pitchfork wielding villagers with irrational dislike of something they want for free or very cheap.

No amount of common sense will calm them.

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#1932356 8-Jan-2018 19:30

kingdragonfly: JimmyH, I'd give you a plus 10, if I could!

Too funny!

Personally why I dislike Sky is they used their monopoly position to bully customers, lobbying for special laws that only benefit themselves, and lawyers to file frivolous lawsuits.

They had the advantage while they were a monopoly, but their overpaid CEO instead chose to squander the chance to improve their image and technology.

You can't argue they have a monopoly AND that the product is equivalent to the other offerings on the market which for the 500th time it's NOT.

Which is it?

The people who say Sky and Netflix are equivalent are the same people who blindly claim that NZ has third world internet that is super expensive.

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#1932359 8-Jan-2018 19:39

epr:

I would have to say John Fellet is right now is not the time for a massive conversion to a video on demand model now is 4 or 5 years too late so bye bye Sky.

They can't really, they have an expensive satellite distribution contract that they have to honour and to run a decent online offering could potentially eat in to their satellite subscribers as well as costing them extra as people will either go one or the other. To make it work financially, it would have to be set at the same price as the Sat solution otherwise they would lose subs that way and over all they would lose significant income.

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#1932383 8-Jan-2018 20:19

epr:

I would have to say John Fellet is right now is not the time for a massive conversion to a video on demand model now is 4 or 5 years too late so bye bye Sky.

And if the analyst at Morningstar is right how many years of 12,000 subscriber losses until its bye bye Sky? You're probably gonna be stuck with hating them for a lot longer than you think.

And if a non-paytv company couldnt get the competition watchdogs approval to buy Sky what are the chances of Foxtel getting approval? Unfortunately I think that the analysts view is about as valuable/useful as a GZ opinion.

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#1932399 8-Jan-2018 20:43

Lets be clear, our ability to stream from whatever sources we want (with out resource to VPN's or DNS dancing) is a result of an archaic monopoly having hoovered up all the licences that exist, resulting in every turn you make is snookered without paying their tax.

So it may be true that they have a business case, and clearly legal licence to do this, but while they hold this content in their hand until you grease their palm handsomely to access it, which is clearly well over the real value of worth, then we are all screwed.

The sooner they are out of business, the better.......................................

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#1932402 8-Jan-2018 20:51

cyril7:

Lets be clear, our ability to stream from whatever sources we want (with out resource to VPN's or DNS dancing) is a result of an archaic monopoly having hoovered up all the licences that exist, resulting in every turn you make is snookered without paying their tax.

So it may be true that they have a business case, and clearly legal licence to do this, but while they hold this content in their hand until you grease their palm handsomely to access it, and is well over the real value of its worth, then we are all screwed.

The sooner they are out of business, the better.......................................

Cyril

Funny. Seems like every other player has hoovered up exclusive content too. Maybe they are all monopolies. Or maybe having the content that people want makes them all monopolies. Or maybe none of them are monopolies cos they are all competing in the same marketplace for all the content - bidding against each other to buy content means it cant be a monopoly. Even Spark and TVNZ are going to bid for SANZAR rights apparently. But if there was a monopoly then they wouldnt be able to bid would they?

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#1932403 8-Jan-2018 20:55

Lets just put aside the big stuff for a moment, and look at the common fodder like HGTV, which covers a lot of material that older folk like, you cannot get near this due to Skys rights, yet so much of there catalog is "currently" not broadcast or available, as its locked up with sky.

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