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#1730227 5-Mar-2017 09:14

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nickrout:

]Why does anyone need to know what is on more than 8 days in advance? But I suspect the TiVo data was from exactly the same source as what Freeview mheg dispays n terrestrial, and via EIT on satellite.

I doubt that tivo had some expensive salaried person changing the data. Hell the episode descriptions are the same everywhere. You'll see the same EPG data for The Walking Dead Series 6 Episode 1 in every English speaking country. No one sits around re-typing this stuff.

Because it is very handy when scheduling things such as movies to record. Otherwise you have to do it every week. I believe the tivo was originally advertised to have a 14 day guide, but not all that long ago it got chopped down to a shorter period.

They would need a CEO, every NZ company these days seems to have one. But seriously there is a lot more to running it than just someone uploading an EPG, and I presume that part of it is relatively automated. Having a programmer to run it and troubleshoot problems isn't cheap either. You would probably be taking about up to half a million tivos connecting to the server, when taking Australia into account. However I suspect with the far better choice of boxes in Oz, that many people may have switched to something better. however in NZ we don't have the luxury of a choice of better alternative boxes. This is possibly why the move doesn't appear to have been all that negative in Oz, plus they did get a $100 voucher for a new box.

You have to do it every week anyway, the new week that appears.

Here are my thoughts, based on the FetchTV that @blakamin mentioned

1. Sky removes the sport subsidy so Basic is $20, Sport add-on is $60

2. You must buy the MySky, then for $20 per month you have FTA and the Basic channels.

This would attract more to Sky Basic, especially in October. Sky would have some extra revenue as users would take up sport or movies for smaller periods from time to time.

They could add a say $15 Neon package, streamed through the MySky, as Sky OnDemand now does. Should Sky end up ending Optus and go full OD, and as the MySky has ethernet and wireless, that could be a much more seamless move away from satellite. Should thy stay with satellite, it will be at a much lower fee, thus they can use that saving to drop prices add add more profit, i.e. get back some lost profit that is occurring now.

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#1730356 5-Mar-2017 13:41

mattwnz:However I suspect with the far better choice of boxes in Oz, that many people may have switched to something better. however in NZ we don't have the luxury of a choice of better alternative boxes. This is possibly why the move doesn't appear to have been all that negative in Oz, plus they did get a $100 voucher for a new box.

We don't have that many options in Oz. Just your standard lg/pana boxes, "FetchTV" and "Humax" (I'm ignoring the teac because it's just a STB with USB recording just like any modern TV).

And then there's the more tech "BeyonWiz" box. But you'd really want to love your TV to fork out that much and they seem to have a lot of "refurbished" units, which makes me wonder if they're just crap.

So really only 2 options... Fetch TV or Humax.

The $100 off Fetch TV was a good move (by Fetch). Most HN's are sold out.

I actually got a Fetch to dump foxtel about 3 weeks ago, after researching a way to replace the in-laws dying TiVo. They bought one a week later. They missed out on the $100 off though :(

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#1730438 5-Mar-2017 16:27

sarahfoxnz:

nickrout:

Why does anyone need to know what is on more than 8 days in advance? But I suspect the TiVo data was from exactly the same source as what Freeview mheg dispays n terrestrial, and via EIT on satellite.

I doubt that tivo had some expensive salaried person changing the data. Hell the episode descriptions are the same everywhere. You'll see the same EPG data for The Walking Dead Series 6 Episode 1 in every English speaking country. No one sits around re-typing this stuff.

i meant the visual / usability of the information - how the programmes are displayed to us. From the information i have gleamed so far, the way TIVO presented it was (or is) superior. But thats only from a few messages / posts - not many.

Do you think Freeviews presentation of the EPG (usability / looks etc) is as good as Tivo ?

As to the number of days - if Tivo & Freeview get the same EPG data - then Freeview only showing 8 days worth is a choice they are making - They can show more if they want to.

i am glad on 17th March AIR FORCE ONE will show on Duke. If i had only 8 days of EPG, i'll not know that. (its the last movie i have on my list of movies)

thats one of my criteria in choosing a new unit - its not my ONLY criteria - but if i found something that had 14 days of EPG - it may sway me to buy it, instead of Freeview. (from my understanding of Freeview, it only has 8 days & thats it).

EDIT: Some people do go away from home for a holiday - weeks holiday. having 14 days of EPG, I can programme the unit (whatever it is) to record what i want & take out useless things that accidentally get planned to watch.

i can safely go away & plan 2 weeks of shows. instead of coming home & scrambling to get to the Tivo (or whatever) & check whats being recorded that night.

Although the wishlist etc are good - its not 100% & does record the odd thing i dont watch. & also, if 3 movies are on at the same time, it may not know which movies i like & not record the movie i want to see. Having 14 days is a lot better than 8 days.

EDIT 2:- Air force One may or may not be your favourite movie - Its just the last one showing on the list at the current time. Its old, but i can think of more fave movies.

Are you trying to tell me that on TiVo you can't put in a list of movies you want and they are recorded as and when they show up?

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#1730479 5-Mar-2017 17:38

nickrout: Are you trying to tell me that on TiVo you can't put in a list of movies you want and they are recorded as and when they show up?

I think you are missing the point. Yes with the Tivo you can save a list of movie names, or the names of movie stars, and they will be automatically recorded for all of time (or until the service is discontinued!). It's REALLY convenient to have the Tivo show you a list of movies coming up in the next fortnight, and tick the ones you want it to record. It's going to feel like a major step backwards going back to an 8 day EPG, and a 'view one channel at a time' EPG.

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#1730488 5-Mar-2017 18:11

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You have to do it every week anyway, the new week that appears.

Here are my thoughts, based on the FetchTV that @blakamin mentioned

1. Sky removes the sport subsidy so Basic is $20, Sport add-on is $60

2. You must buy the MySky, then for $20 per month you have FTA and the Basic channels.

This would attract more to Sky Basic, especially in October. Sky would have some extra revenue as users would take up sport or movies for smaller periods from time to time.

They could add a say $15 Neon package, streamed through the MySky, as Sky OnDemand now does. Should Sky end up ending Optus and go full OD, and as the MySky has ethernet and wireless, that could be a much more seamless move away from satellite. Should thy stay with satellite, it will be at a much lower fee, thus they can use that saving to drop prices add add more profit, i.e. get back some lost profit that is occurring now.

You only had to do it once every two weeks because it had 14 days epg in advance, so don't see why if you have a 14 day EPG you would have to do it weekly, apart from the odd occurrence when movies change. Although that changed a few years ago and it went to a shorter period. Tivo customers also lost Casper which was supposed to have a while heap of free content most that never eventuated. They did have some free content but wasn't worth watching. Tvnz should have used it for their content but didn't. So tivo buyers haven't been all that well served imo compared to what was advertised.

I was looking into some old articles a couple of years after the tivo first came out and one of the promos they did was compare cost of ownership with sky freeview channels only. One of the advantages advertised was that it was a 200 dollar initial buy price plus 30 dollars per month for 24 months. Then after that it said there were no other costs in the future. Where sky had a lower monthly fee and setup price but you had to continue paying the monthly price forever. So that worked out to about 1000 dollars cost over a couple of years for tivo. But after about 7 years these people are now faced with the fact that they now have new costs with buying another box and not because their hardware has failed. , Ironically sky may have to be an option for some. Not surprising that several years later they had to sell the tivo stock off at retailers for 200 dollars to get rid of the stock as 1000 dollars for this type of device is very spendy, and you would expect it to last many years if you were paying that sort of amount. Then they were also giving then away with broadband contracts and I got one of those.

Also looking into the definition of Tivos Product Lifetime Service, and found the answer here at http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-lifetime-service.php and it mentions this series 3 tivo.

*Product Lifetime Service (recently renamed "Product Lifetime Subscription") (PLS) refers to the TiVo subscription from TiVo. This is NOT a lifetime warranty on the unit, but rather a lifetime subscription to the TiVo service, applicable to the specific unit purchsaed. Units purchased with PLS will not incur monthly TiVo service fees for the TiVo subscription.

So it appears that it applies to the lifetime of the Tivo box itself, and not the owner of the device. So why aren't Tivo getting a new service provider in NZ/ Aus to provide this, now that the current ones contract has ended? Even if they open source it, if they can't get anyone to bid for it?

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#1730494 5-Mar-2017 18:20

nickrout:

Are you trying to tell me that on TiVo you can't put in a list of movies you want and they are recorded as and when they show up?

Where did you get that ?

i'm saying - (from the original point people seem to be confused about) - knowing when something is on 14 days in advance is a lot better than knowing only 8 days in advance.

I can programme in the movies i want to watch.

EDIT: example.

I have "movies" as high priority.

in 2 weeks time, they have BATMAN 1 and BATMAN 2 scheduled to record but on another Channel - AVATAR will not record. now Tivo knows i like movies, but tivo doesnt know WHICH movies i want to watch.

So i edit my scheduled listing to watch/record AVATAR - up to 2 weeks in advance.

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#1730569 5-Mar-2017 21:42

I have it set to record any movie that comes on. Then link with my PC and copy over the ones I want.

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#1730571 5-Mar-2017 21:44

KiwiTT: I have it set to record any movie that comes on. Then link with my PC and copy over the ones I want.

Don't think any box on the market allows you to do all that.

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#1730595 5-Mar-2017 22:58

tdgeek: This is a TIVO thread which means Freeview over TIVO. As TIVO is being canned, comments need to be Freeview PVR replacement related, i.e. how to watch FTA. Nt how to watch other solutions that are not NZ FTA

Fetch TV is both a PVR and IP TV. Telling people to shut up just for mentioning Fetch TV's pay TV capabilities in this thread is very pedantic. I think people can ignore your "directive" unless you manage to successfully cry to someone with real authority here.

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#1730599 5-Mar-2017 23:10

mattwnz:
KiwiTT: I have it set to record any movie that comes on. Then link with my PC and copy over the ones I want.

Don't think any box on the market allows you to do all that.

It's called the Tivo Home Networking Package (or similar). I did the same thing for a while (until I upgraded the HDD in our Tivo to 2Tb when the warranty had run out). Another thing I liked was being able to EASILY copy/view programs from one Tivo to another.

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#1730600 5-Mar-2017 23:12

compost:

tdgeek: This is a TIVO thread which means Freeview over TIVO. As TIVO is being canned, comments need to be Freeview PVR replacement related, i.e. how to watch FTA. Nt how to watch other solutions that are not NZ FTA

Fetch TV is both a PVR and IP TV. Telling people to shut up just for mentioning Fetch TV's pay TV capabilities in this thread is very pedantic. I think people can ignore your "directive" unless you manage to successfully cry to someone with real authority here.

The Tivo was also IP TV as it initially had Caspa, which allowed you to rent new release films. Then it had Quickflix, which was an early attempt at TV similar to Netflix. So the Tivo in NZ was always advertised as far more than just a freeview recorder, until that capability was also removed from the tivo.

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#1730613 6-Mar-2017 01:21

Dynamic:

mattwnz:
KiwiTT: I have it set to record any movie that comes on. Then link with my PC and copy over the ones I want.

Don't think any box on the market allows you to do all that.

It's called the Tivo Home Networking Package (or similar). I did the same thing for a while (until I upgraded the HDD in our Tivo to 2Tb when the warranty had run out). Another thing I liked was being able to EASILY copy/view programs from one Tivo to another.

Yes I have got the HNP for the tivo too, but I was meaning that no other other PVR on the NZ market seems to allow you to move content off the box and onto your PC. But that is going to be essentially a useless software license and wasted money when they shut off their servers.

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#1730619 6-Mar-2017 06:49

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tdgeek: This is a TIVO thread which means Freeview over TIVO. As TIVO is being canned, comments need to be Freeview PVR replacement related, i.e. how to watch FTA. Nt how to watch other solutions that are not NZ FTA

Fetch TV is both a PVR and IP TV. Telling people to shut up just for mentioning Fetch TV's pay TV capabilities in this thread is very pedantic. I think people can ignore your "directive" unless you manage to successfully cry to someone with real authority here.

Thats very whiny. Your right, FetchTV is a PVR and FTA option, as I since realised later, you could probably have suggested that to correct me, instead of whining. This thread did have a lot of non FTA options that are not relevant, hence my post. But thank you for your mature reply.

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#1730646 6-Mar-2017 08:22

Please shoot down this ?

http://www.freeviewnz.com/html/vu-_solo.html

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#1730647 6-Mar-2017 08:25

Satellite so no HD

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