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#1783606 17-May-2017 11:42

We will continue to use our beloved Tivo until the 31st October. Come the 31st October I will just plug my antenna cable directly into the TV and use it for live TV only.

Thanks to Geekzone and @mattrix we are now successfully using our OSMC Raspberry Pi Kodi setup for TV3Ondemand, and TVNZondemand. See these threads for more info:

[Release] TVNZ OnDemand KODI Add-on

[Release] ThreeNow KODI Add-on

The great thing about these addons is that there is no annoying advertisements when watching on demand (unlike Freeview+). While its not a PVR kind of setup, everything we ever really need to watch is available on demand. My only real annoyance currently is that these addons done seem to be full HD. But even the wife is happy, which means happy wife. happy life.

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#1783682 17-May-2017 13:44

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the ability to rewind live TV is a must.

Most new TV's will allow that with an attached USB drive.

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#1783685 17-May-2017 13:45

Jaxson:

Dynamic:

the ability to rewind live TV is a must.

Most new TV's will allow that with an attached USB drive.

I have found it to be pretty unreliable. Also found the USB drive can die an early death, as I presume it wears out with the constant writing to it.

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#1783695 17-May-2017 14:11

Jaxson:

Dynamic: the ability to rewind live TV is a must.

Most new TV's will allow that with an attached USB drive.

My experience is different. Yes you can record a show to the USB drive, but if you are flipping between channels and start watching something, with the Tivo, the live TV is being constantly recorded, so you can rewind live TV (up to half an hour) without having to think about it. AND it does this with both the current and the second tuner, and my technophobe Mrs uses that regularly.

None of the DishTV boxes do this, and I've never seen a TV do it either. Not sure about the Panasonic boxes.

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#1783701 17-May-2017 14:26

Dynamic:

Jaxson:

Dynamic: the ability to rewind live TV is a must.

Most new TV's will allow that with an attached USB drive.

My experience is different. Yes you can record a show to the USB drive, but if you are flipping between channels and start watching something, with the Tivo, the live TV is being constantly recorded, so you can rewind live TV (up to half an hour) without having to think about it. AND it does this with both the current and the second tuner, and my technophobe Mrs uses that regularly.

None of the DishTV boxes do this, and I've never seen a TV do it either. Not sure about the Panasonic boxes.

Fully, I mean TV's are usually one tuner to start with (typically unless a higher end hybrid model, and even then I don't think the two tuners work that independently).

TiVo offered many good features, simple when you think about a lot of them, that just haven't been implemented in other units.

Guess what I'm saying though is that it's a sunset technology for a lot of applications. The ondemand side of things has taken off, so much so that:

a) we probably don't need to record much anymore

b) some shows are shown on demand before they're broadcast via free to air.

Our TiVo will die, but we're no longer looking for a solution to replace it, in terms of a standalone PVR costing $500 or more.

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#1783720 17-May-2017 14:45

Unfortunately NZs on demand offers are poor compared to overseas. We can't even use chromecast to view programs from nz TV apps onto the TV, yet overseas TV apps have this built in. The Freeview on demand system that is built into set top boxes is also poor and laggy, and on demand is stuffed full of adverts. TiVo allowedyou to fast forward through all the ads, and you didn't have to worry about downloading the program, and buffering problems etc, which you still get with streaming. You just viewed your recordings. But I think it is all about content control, and not wanting people to have copies of programs sitting on harddrives.

The big problem though with on demand, is that you can't view it when you want to, as th3e program will usually disappear after a couple of weeks. Whereas on a TiVo , you can keep it for years. TiVo are still big in the US, and they are regually bringing out new better models all the time, with more tuners and larger hard drives. Also mysky boxes are still popular. So I am certainly considering a PVR option post tivo.

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#1783724 17-May-2017 14:48

Jaxson: ...Guess what I'm saying though is that it's a sunset technology for a lot of applications. The ondemand side of things has taken off....

...Our TiVo will die, but we're no longer looking for a solution to replace it, in terms of a standalone PVR costing $500 or more....

Hmmmm your points are absolutely valid. I don't think my household is ready to be rid of it yet. Last time I checked, TV3 was very slow to publish the 6pm news for on demand viewing. I will reconsider come August though.

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#1783743 17-May-2017 15:52

Yeah, I have to agree, on-demand is a rubbish viewing experience compared to a Tivo. Not even close.

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#1783754 17-May-2017 16:22

Dynamic:

very slow to publish the 6pm news for on demand viewing.

With content you've read free online during the day anyway...

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#1783782 17-May-2017 16:53

When October 31st comes along and our beloved Tivos lose their connection to the mothership, I'm wondering how useful they'll be when they revert to manual timer recordings, just like the old VCR days.

There's no way to manually set the clock in the Tivo and someone mentioned that their Tivo's clock lost several minutes over a month when disconnected from the internet. Someone else in the Whirlpool forums believes there's a strong likelyhood that Tivos set set their clock from a 3rd party time source, before connecting to the mothership. If that's the case, for the small number of programs we record, the Tivo could still be quite useful setting the timer manually, but if the clock cannot keep time, it'll be hopeless.

Does anyone else have any information relating to this issue?

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#1783788 17-May-2017 17:09

Spong:

When October 31st comes along and our beloved Tivos lose their connection to the mothership, I'm wondering how useful they'll be when they revert to manual timer recordings, just like the old VCR days.

There's no way to manually set the clock in the Tivo and someone mentioned that their Tivo's clock lost several minutes over a month when disconnected from the internet. Someone else in the Whirlpool forums believes there's a strong likelyhood that Tivos set set their clock from a 3rd party time source, before connecting to the mothership. If that's the case, for the small number of programs we record, the Tivo could still be quite useful setting the timer manually, but if the clock cannot keep time, it'll be hopeless.

Does anyone else have any information relating to this issue?

I'd be more concerned about the fact that the recorded programs will display no name, so you won't know what you have until you start watching it - at least you could label a VHS tape!

I am trying to wean myself off FTA TV at the moment and exploring/investigating the likes of Netflix/Lightbox/YouTube and maybe Amazon Prime TV if I find there's not enough content delivered via those other three media... I suspect I won't have time to watch everything on those three, so the Amazon Prime TV option will end up being dropped in this household...

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#1783792 17-May-2017 17:28

DMCM:
This thread has gone scarily quiet! Time is ticking down....

Any good at reverse engineering mips obfuscated back into c?? Asking for a friend.

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#1783797 17-May-2017 17:30

johcar:

Spong:

When October 31st comes along and our beloved Tivos lose their connection to the mothership, I'm wondering how useful they'll be when they revert to manual timer recordings, just like the old VCR days.

There's no way to manually set the clock in the Tivo and someone mentioned that their Tivo's clock lost several minutes over a month when disconnected from the internet. Someone else in the Whirlpool forums believes there's a strong likelyhood that Tivos set set their clock from a 3rd party time source, before connecting to the mothership. If that's the case, for the small number of programs we record, the Tivo could still be quite useful setting the timer manually, but if the clock cannot keep time, it'll be hopeless.

Does anyone else have any information relating to this issue?

I'd be more concerned about the fact that the recorded programs will display no name, so you won't know what you have until you start watching it - at least you could label a VHS tape!

I am trying to wean myself off FTA TV at the moment and exploring/investigating the likes of Netflix/Lightbox/YouTube and maybe Amazon Prime TV if I find there's not enough content delivered via those other three media... I suspect I won't have time to watch everything on those three, so the Amazon Prime TV option will end up being dropped in this household...

Not sure if you will be able to download with the home networking package afterwards, and then rename the file. I asked tivo if the HNP was still going to be fully functional but they aren't replying.

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#1783878 17-May-2017 20:17

BarTender:
DMCM:
This thread has gone scarily quiet! Time is ticking down....

Any good at reverse engineering mips obfuscated back into c?? Asking for a friend.

Never tried ...

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#1783891 17-May-2017 20:59

DMCM:
BarTender:
DMCM:

This thread has gone scarily quiet! Time is ticking down....

Any good at reverse engineering mips obfuscated linux binaries and libraries back into c?? Asking for a friend.

Never tried ...

Well if you know anyone who has done disassembly or cipher analysis / factoring / brute forcing on 894 and 1505 bit ElGamal keys it might come in handy. In fact knowing how to factor or rebuild the private key from a 1505 bit elgamal key would be a major step in the right direction.

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