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#159927 17-Dec-2014 14:29

So we bought a new oven during one of the sales.

But there is no electrician who is available before New Year in Dunedin that I am able to find

The old oven has a wall switch, wire wiring going through the wall out the wall and straight into the old oven.

I am told if the new oven is the same I can just disconnect wire from old oven and reconnect the open ends into the new oven.

But new oven has a separate (not stuck to oven) 3 pin socket that terminates into 3 open wires.

Now - I don't suppose I am legally allowed to terminate the old wiring from the wall into a wall connector and join it to the new cable with open wires into that new wall connector?

Hmm ... might have to take pics

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#1199192 17-Dec-2014 14:40

No, don't think that's actually legal. Pics would be good tho.

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#1199201 17-Dec-2014 14:47

Will it need a certificate of compliance

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#1199203 17-Dec-2014 14:48

DarthKermit: No, don't think that's actually legal. Pics would be good tho.

Yeah uploading pics is one of the hardest things to do on geekzone ... Will try and do that soon ...

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#1199204 17-Dec-2014 14:49

I think this is true but I can't swear to it: You are allowed to do anything you like but you are not allowed to let it go live until it has been signed off by a qualified electrician. If you are confident of your skills, you could hook it up but actually turning the circuit on would be in breach and if anything went horribly wrong before the electrician approved it your insurance would not be valid. Maybe you could do the work, explain this to the electrician, and bribe him to come out just to inspect it.

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#1199209 17-Dec-2014 14:53

http://www.consumerbuild.org.nz/publish/diy/diylegal-electrical.php is a good read

Also code of practice PDF download.

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#1199212 17-Dec-2014 14:56

Rikkitic: I think this is true but I can't swear to it: You are allowed to do anything you like but you are not allowed to let it go live until it has been signed off by a qualified electrician. If you are confident of your skills, you could hook it up but actually turning the circuit on would be in breach and if anything went horribly wrong before the electrician approved it your insurance would not be valid. Maybe you could do the work, explain this to the electrician, and bribe him to come out just to inspect it.

No, Not true. You can wire it up yourself and switch it on. This is under the homeowner exemption of the ESR.

And because you are a homeowner you are exempt from testing it for safety.... Cool aye!!!!

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#1199213 17-Dec-2014 14:56

Are you talking an oven or a range? When I last did an oven it was required to not be plugged in and had to be hard wired back to the isolator switch located beside it, and the swich had to be accessable without reaching over the top of the hob which was a right pain to arrange in the kitchen.

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#1199214 17-Dec-2014 14:59

And to answer you question... without pictures so probably right.... yes you can just hardwire it in if that is what was there before

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#1199217 17-Dec-2014 15:01

joker97: Will it need a certificate of compliance

No, if you do it, it won't need anything

If I do it , it will need an Electrical Safety Cert.

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#1199222 17-Dec-2014 15:10

joker97: So we bought a new oven during one of the sales.

But there is no electrician who is available before New Year in Dunedin that I am able to find

The old oven has a wall switch, wire wiring going through the wall out the wall and straight into the old oven.

I am told if the new oven is the same I can just disconnect wire from old oven and reconnect the open ends into the new oven.

But new oven has a separate (not stuck to oven) 3 pin socket that terminates into 3 open wires.

Now - I don't suppose I am legally allowed to terminate the old wiring from the wall into a wall connector and join it to the new cable with open wires into that new wall connector?

Hmm ... might have to take pics

Have you checked the installation guide for the oven, it's possible that it has an optional plug for houses with 'new' wiring, that can be removed from the back of the oven to expose the terminals for physically wiring - so you can do a like-for-like replacement. So yeah, check the manual/installation guide.

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#1199231 17-Dec-2014 15:13

joker97: So we bought a new oven during one of the sales.

But there is no electrician who is available before New Year in Dunedin that I am able to find

The old oven has a wall switch, wire wiring going through the wall out the wall and straight into the old oven.

I am told if the new oven is the same I can just disconnect wire from old oven and reconnect the open ends into the new oven.

But new oven has a separate (not stuck to oven) 3 pin socket that terminates into 3 open wires.

Now - I don't suppose I am legally allowed to terminate the old wiring from the wall into a wall connector and join it to the new cable with open wires into that new wall connector?

Hmm ... might have to take pics

If you are taking out the old oven and putting in a new one, the the fixed wiring can be used, you can do it yourself.......but it must be safety tested by an electrician and and electrical safety certificate issued.

IF you DIY then you CANNOT turn the power on to it without it having a ESC issued.

if you are relocating it, then it must be fitted with a suitable plug and socket arrangement.

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#1199233 17-Dec-2014 15:19

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joker97: So we bought a new oven during one of the sales.

But there is no electrician who is available before New Year in Dunedin that I am able to find

The old oven has a wall switch, wire wiring going through the wall out the wall and straight into the old oven.

I am told if the new oven is the same I can just disconnect wire from old oven and reconnect the open ends into the new oven.

But new oven has a separate (not stuck to oven) 3 pin socket that terminates into 3 open wires.

Now - I don't suppose I am legally allowed to terminate the old wiring from the wall into a wall connector and join it to the new cable with open wires into that new wall connector?

Hmm ... might have to take pics

If you are taking out the old oven and putting in a new one, the the fixed wiring can be used, you can do it yourself.......but it must be safety tested by an electrician and and electrical safety certificate issued.

IF you DIY then you CANNOT turn the power on to it without it having a ESC issued.

if you are relocating it, then it must be fitted with a suitable plug and socket arrangement.

Umm No, that is incorrect the ESR says he is exempt from testing, for this reason home owners do not need an ESR. they may do and liven their own electrical work.

The only work he may not do is changes to the fixed wiring, unless he gets an Inspector to sign it off.

You will notice that when you do your Electrical refresher training they are very cagey about this point.

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#1199235 17-Dec-2014 15:20

What do you find difficult about pic uploading on here? I've uploaded dozens so far.

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#1199253 17-Dec-2014 15:28

personally I would not do it....

1. safety would not want to see love ones zapped.
2. If it goes wrong and causes a fire your Insurance will probably be void.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1199259 17-Dec-2014 15:35

KiwiNZ: personally I would not do it....

1. safety would not want to see love ones zapped.
2. If it goes wrong and causes a fire your Insurance will probably be void.

Why would his insurance be void for something he is legally entitled to do? that's what insurance is for.

Matthew

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