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BlinkyBill
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  #2641752 25-Jan-2021 16:38
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tdgeek:

 

Ok, you want all NZ sport taxpayer funded, sorta like Socialist Sport. ...

 

 

dude, calm down. I believe NZ representative-level sport should be shown on free-to-air TV. That’s all.

 

Taxpayers are already subsidising sports in amounts ranging from significantly or not much, so in return for this I want everyone to be able to see their representative teams at no extra cost. 




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  #2641758 25-Jan-2021 16:47
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dude, calm down. I believe NZ representative-level sport should be shown on free-to-air TV. That’s all.

 

Taxpayers are already subsidising sports in amounts ranging from significantly or not much, so in return for this I want everyone to be able to see their representative teams at no extra cost. 

 

 

Lol, Im quite calm thanks. Im quite serious. How much do these sports need to flourish? Thats why they go the way of commercial sponsors and that then feeds into mass media coverage. Rights payments. I'd expect Government funding all that would cost a mint. Each time this got raised the feedback here was that no way would taxpayers fund people entertainment, especially when even in ok times, there are many much more needy. Im a keen sports watcher and participant, but we are the minority. If you fund sport, what else should you fund? Yes, the Govt provides support for the Arts etc, City Councils out on fireworks displays, but funding general weekly entertainment is in my opinion, a step too far. 


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  #2641763 25-Jan-2021 16:56
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dude, calm down. I believe NZ representative-level sport should be shown on free-to-air TV. That’s all.

 

Taxpayers are already subsidising sports in amounts ranging from significantly or not much, so in return for this I want everyone to be able to see their representative teams at no extra cost. 

 

 

Similar to Aus? We've seen how that goes. We had motor-sport on FTA in recent times. They would delay it because it might cut into the 6pm news, or show it at 11pm on Sunday night hours after it had already happened, or even the day after. You also only got bits and pieces - you might see the race on a race weekend, but you'd never see qualifying or practice sessions. 

 

When F1 went back to Sky from FTA, we started getting GP2, GP3, Porsche Supercup, all of the qualifying sessions and the practice sessions. We get that on Spark Sport too, but we never saw it on TVNZ.

 

You only have to look at the hash TVNZ is making of the America's Cup to see whether they're capable of something like showing all of our live sport. The world has moved on, at least in NZ.




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  #2641812 25-Jan-2021 17:09
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Similar to Aus? We've seen how that goes. We had motor-sport on FTA in recent times. They would delay it because it might cut into the 6pm news, or show it at 11pm on Sunday night hours after it had already happened, or even the day after. You also only got bits and pieces - you might see the race on a race weekend, but you'd never see qualifying or practice sessions. 

 

When F1 went back to Sky from FTA, we started getting GP2, GP3, Porsche Supercup, all of the qualifying sessions and the practice sessions. We get that on Spark Sport too, but we never saw it on TVNZ.

 

You only have to look at the hash TVNZ is making of the America's Cup to see whether they're capable of something like showing all of our live sport. The world has moved on, at least in NZ.

 

 

I agree. All of us would like it cheaper, and I pay more now than what I did before by a decent margin. Still have Sky and Sport, and Spark Sport, not to mention the other SVOD's I also pay for. We get more, and however it works, more money goes into it, and we see more from it.

 

Or is Blinky more talking about Sky as FTA TV is probably not everywhere rurally? Maybe SS could onsell the sub to Sky just for rural subscribers? Sky gets a cut, SS gets revenue they don't now, that could be an option, but given that rural is not a new thing, surely thats already been talked about at both Sky and SS?


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  #2641814 25-Jan-2021 17:12
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Similar to Aus? We've seen how that goes. We had motor-sport on FTA in recent times. They would delay it because it might cut into the 6pm news, or show it at 11pm on Sunday night hours after it had already happened, or even the day after. You also only got bits and pieces - you might see the race on a race weekend, but you'd never see qualifying or practice sessions. 


When F1 went back to Sky from FTA, we started getting GP2, GP3, Porsche Supercup, all of the qualifying sessions and the practice sessions. We get that on Spark Sport too, but we never saw it on TVNZ.


You only have to look at the hash TVNZ is making of the America's Cup to see whether they're capable of something like showing all of our live sport. The world has moved on, at least in NZ.



I agree. All of us would like it cheaper, and I pay more now than what I did before by a decent margin. Still have Sky and Sport, and Spark Sport, not to mention the other SVOD's I also pay for. We get more, and however it works, more money goes into it, and we see more from it.


Or is Blinky more talking about Sky as FTA TV is probably not everywhere rurally? Maybe SS could onsell the sub to Sky just for rural subscribers? Sky gets a cut, SS gets revenue they don't now, that could be an option, but given that rural is not a new thing, surely thats already been talked about at both Sky and SS?



Agree. Surely rural folks could get Spark Sport on Sky Satellite. Not sure how much extra cost that would add but even if it was an extra $50-$60 per month they would definitely pay for it.




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  #2641818 25-Jan-2021 17:18
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Dochart:Agree. Surely rural folks could get Spark Sport on Sky Satellite. Not sure how much extra cost that would add but even if it was an extra $50-$60 per month they would definitely pay for it.

 

If they already have it as many would, maybe a slightly higher SS sub at $30?  If they dont, Sky do FTA at I think it was $18 per month, add the suggested SS $30 and a nice option.


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  #2641832 25-Jan-2021 18:08
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I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.

 

NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.

 

Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.


 
 
 

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  #2641833 25-Jan-2021 18:18
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BlinkyBill:

I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.


NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.


Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.



I know in Australia only Australia Test Cricket is shown on free to air. If you want to watch ODI and T20 then you gotta pay.

In New Zealand, only the first ODI and T20 match of the series is shown on free to air. I wonder if all NZ National Sport was shown on FTA if they can still get the same amount of profit with paid sports if they bombarded with a bunch of ads.




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  #2641859 25-Jan-2021 19:32
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I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.

 

NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.

 

Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.

 

 

Ok. Bit of a grey area there as the teams you mentioned are professional, just as Super Rugby is. How do Warriors miss out they are the New Zealand Warriors. But they aren't playing another nation, so yes, got that. The sports you mentioned are NZ largest sports. So they will have the largest funding and the largest payrolls and travel expenses, they aren't exactly flooded with money, yet they are fully entwined in the commercial world, as they are in fact a business. So they must be earning significant funding. Be interesting to know how much funding them for a year would cost. As GV stated, if it all went free, the national arguments over taxpayers funding entertainment died down, what sort of production we end up with, how many low quality talk shows we have to bear, and how many ads we have to watch.

 

Example, Warriors are out, but every now and then we get a NZ League side, so I guess thats in? But the NZ rugby side is the professional All Blacks, the professional era and the NZ side are merged. Im not being very clear but its like a faux representative match as its really just pro rugby at its best. NRL is pro league at its best, AUS vs NZ isn't a tantalising watch.

 

I hear what you say but its all so professional that its quite rare to have a genuine nation vs nation tournament, like the Olympics. Anything else is just another top rating professional game that earns high salaries and we pay for our ticket to watch. .  


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  #2642024 26-Jan-2021 00:45
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The Youtube Stream set to 720p used about 6 or 7 GB per day for the test matches.

 

For those watching via Germany or China ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2642042 26-Jan-2021 07:35
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BlinkyBill:

 

I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.

 

NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.

 

Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.

 

 

Ok. Bit of a grey area there as the teams you mentioned are professional, just as Super Rugby is. How do Warriors miss out they are the New Zealand Warriors. But they aren't playing another nation, so yes, got that. The sports you mentioned are NZ largest sports. So they will have the largest funding and the largest payrolls and travel expenses, they aren't exactly flooded with money, yet they are fully entwined in the commercial world, as they are in fact a business. So they must be earning significant funding. Be interesting to know how much funding them for a year would cost. As GV stated, if it all went free, the national arguments over taxpayers funding entertainment died down, what sort of production we end up with, how many low quality talk shows we have to bear, and how many ads we have to watch.

 

Example, Warriors are out, but every now and then we get a NZ League side, so I guess thats in? But the NZ rugby side is the professional All Blacks, the professional era and the NZ side are merged. Im not being very clear but its like a faux representative match as its really just pro rugby at its best. NRL is pro league at its best, AUS vs NZ isn't a tantalising watch.

 

I hear what you say but its all so professional that its quite rare to have a genuine nation vs nation tournament, like the Olympics. Anything else is just another top rating professional game that earns high salaries and we pay for our ticket to watch. .  

 

 

You have completely and utterly not gotten my point at all in any way. Your comments are completely irrelevant in context of the point I’m making.


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  #2642047 26-Jan-2021 07:58
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BlinkyBill:

 

I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.

 

NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.

 

Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.

 

 

Although your idea is a good one, it will never happen. Winston and NZFirst tried to mandate something similar and the cost to the government was far to prohibitive. I know its not exactly the teams your tlking about but broadcast deals in NZ for just rugby and cricket cost around $100 million per year. IMHO there are far far more important things for the government to spend that money on.

 

We live in a user pays society nowdays, also going back to the rural user that posted about data caps, the cap and the cost are the main issues for rural NZ. City folk like me that have unlimited 200/100 Fibre for $75 a month really struggle to see how Rural NZ has ADSL/VDSL speeds with 120Gb for around $100.





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  #2642051 26-Jan-2021 08:27
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BlinkyBill:

 

I don’t seem to be getting my point across. Let’s see if I can be clear: All Blacks, Black Caps, All Whites, Silver Ferns (etc etc) who are playing test matches or similar against other nations. Olympics. These types of representative matches should be on F2A. EVERYONE should be able to watch their national representatives in test-match level competition.

 

NOT Motorsport, Mitre10 Cup or Super Rugby, not Wimbledon tennis or English Premier League, not PGA or LPGA. Not the Breakers, not the Warriors, not the Golden Shears.

 

Only national representative teams or individuals representing NZ, and live. Need legislation to enact this.

 



I know in Australia only Australia Test Cricket is shown on free to air. If you want to watch ODI and T20 then you gotta pay.

In New Zealand, only the first ODI and T20 match of the series is shown on free to air. I wonder if all NZ National Sport was shown on FTA if they can still get the same amount of profit with paid sports if they bombarded with a bunch of ads.

 

The other pitfall with the Australian way of doing things is that the Australian rugby games used to be FTA but if the All Blacks were playing South Africa, it was on a different network and you had to pay. Unsure if that's still the case. 


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  #2642291 26-Jan-2021 12:40
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Id rather 100m went to health service than allowing rugby and cricket to be free.

(Of course it would only be manly sports we support, not womens sports or girl games like soccer which probably have equal numbers playing)

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Looks like we will never get numbers from Spark (most likely as they are nothing to cheer about) but in todays earnings call where Spark over the last 6 months had an 11.4% drop in profit YoY, mentioned this about SS.

 

 

 

"Financials weren't broken out for Spark Sport. On a conference call, CFO Stefan Knight said Spark wanted the service to be commercially viable but that it was not there yet. Spending on Spark Sport was, "not disimilar to what we used to spend on Lightbox," Knight said. Hodson said Spark was open to partnerships."





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