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Ultimate Geek

#876050 12-Aug-2013 19:19

dwl:
The close up from NFL has a lot more edge detail to my eye that isn't there in the PLP. If I look at the sizes of the JPG (letting an "independent" algorithm work out how much detail it thinks is there with the same number of pixels) the NFL has 417 kB while the PLP has only 162 kB. This is a lot.

Oops - didn't check enough before my last post The JPG files supplied have been coded with different qualities if I can believe the reporting in Irfanview. The numbers were:

PLP face shot - 2560 x 1600 Pixels - 162.23 KB - JPEG, quality: 75
NFL face shot - 2560 x 1600 Pixels - 417.26 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF
PLP field - 536.55 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF
NFL field - 619.05 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF

If I save the NFL face shot at JPEG quality = 75 in Irfanview the file size drops to 187.15 KB. It still looks a lot better than the PLP version, and I suspect that PLP encoded at quality = 90 wouldn't look much different, but the size differences earlier indicated aren't a valid guide. For the same nominal quality JPEG save there does seem more detail in NFL but the difference is more around 15% of file size on this limited number of samples. The encoding picture quality difference may be more.

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#876077 12-Aug-2013 20:05

just singed up today and tried to watch the 2 asia cup match and i encountered a problem.
I could not do full screen, even if i click full screen button the window became full screen but the video cannot cover the whole window. Does anyone having same problem? Had tried IE, Chrome and Firefox, all having same result, or does any setting of my pc couse this problem?

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#876078 12-Aug-2013 20:05

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#876129 12-Aug-2013 21:38

Do you have multiple monitors on the PC? Have you changed the windows DPI from the default to make the navigation stuff in windows larger?

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#876133 12-Aug-2013 21:44

I had exactly the same issue try using opera or safari browser they both worked for me,this is on the only site ive ever had a problem with.

fyscdaniel: just singed up today and tried to watch the 2 asia cup match and i encountered a problem.
I could not do full screen, even if i click full screen button the window became full screen but the video cannot cover the whole window. Does anyone having same problem? Had tried IE, Chrome and Firefox, all having same result, or does any setting of my pc couse this problem?

fyscdaniel

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#876137 12-Aug-2013 21:57

richms: Do you have multiple monitors on the PC? Have you changed the windows DPI from the default to make the navigation stuff in windows larger?

yes i have monitor through vga and tv through hdmi.
and tes i changed DPI into larger fonts in order to see larger words while using tv.

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#876141 12-Aug-2013 22:00

Ok, well those are 2 things that screw up badly written flash stuff at going fullscreen. Try solving both and see if fullscreen works for you.

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#876158 12-Aug-2013 22:26

The iPhone/iPad app is currently with apple for approval. and they're expecting an update from their developer tomorrow about the android app.

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#876169 12-Aug-2013 23:22

JarrodM: The iPhone/iPad app is currently with apple for approval. and they're expecting an update from their developer tomorrow about the android app.

wow, cutting it pretty fine just a few days before the first game

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#876207 13-Aug-2013 06:11

Are these feeds from the same server source Coliseum are using? not sure if they work no time to test if they are working.

NBA HD
http://nba247.cdnak.nbahd.neulion.com/mobile/nba/nba247/as/live/ipad_1840.m3u8

NFL HD
http://smb.cdnak.neulion.com/nlds/nfl/nfltv/as/live/nfltv_hd_3000.m3u8

NHL HD
http://smb.cdnak.neulion.com/fs/nhl/mobile/iphone/video/nhlnetwork/ipad_1840.m3u8

dwl

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#876234 13-Aug-2013 08:19

Apsattv: Are these feeds from the same server source Coliseum are using?

They are all different addresses for me on Telecom DNS but I guess it will depend on your ISP (or more correctly where your DNS is pointing):

NBA HD - ping nba247.cdnak.nbahd.neulion.com = a1189.g.akamai.net (219.88.185.58)

NFL HD - ping smb.cdnak.neulion.com = a1428.g.akamai.net (219.88.187.112)

NHL HD - ping smb.cdnak.neulion.com = a1428.g.akamai.net (219.88.186.104)

PLP demo main stream - ping nlds119.cdnak.neulion.com = a1702.g2.akamai.net (219.88.186.97)
PLP secondary source - ping nlds119.cdnl3nl.neulion.com = cdnl3nl.neulion.com.c.footprint.net (8.27.254.126)

All the Akamai are very local for me, quite possibly co-located, while the L3 is in the US. I expect the servers used could change daily so not sure the merits of worrying about a specific server and the exact server and path in use at the time will be the important bit.

EDIT: Note that NFL and NHL have same server name but even this can return different addresses as above or multiple results:
smb.cdnak.neulion.com. 692 IN CNAME smb.cdnak.neulion.com.edgesuite.net.
smb.cdnak.neulion.com.edgesuite.net. 3188 IN CNAME a1428.g.akamai.net.
a1428.g.akamai.net. 20 IN A 219.88.187.35
a1428.g.akamai.net. 20 IN A 219.88.187.112

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#876249 13-Aug-2013 09:10

NonprayingMantis:
JarrodM: The iPhone/iPad app is currently with apple for approval. and they're expecting an update from their developer tomorrow about the android app.

wow, cutting it pretty fine just a few days before the first game

You're not kidding!

Apple are notorious for dragging their heels on app approvals.

I would've thought that this would have been one of the forst things they'd have developed as it wold be the most commonly used method, based on tablet usage and ease of use etc...

Pretty bad, to leave this to the last minute.

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#876250 13-Aug-2013 09:12

dwl:
dwl:
The close up from NFL has a lot more edge detail to my eye that isn't there in the PLP. If I look at the sizes of the JPG (letting an "independent" algorithm work out how much detail it thinks is there with the same number of pixels) the NFL has 417 kB while the PLP has only 162 kB. This is a lot.

Oops - didn't check enough before my last post The JPG files supplied have been coded with different qualities if I can believe the reporting in Irfanview. The numbers were:

PLP face shot - 2560 x 1600 Pixels - 162.23 KB - JPEG, quality: 75
NFL face shot - 2560 x 1600 Pixels - 417.26 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF
PLP field - 536.55 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF
NFL field - 619.05 KB - JPEG, quality: 90, subsampling OFF

If I save the NFL face shot at JPEG quality = 75 in Irfanview the file size drops to 187.15 KB. It still looks a lot better than the PLP version, and I suspect that PLP encoded at quality = 90 wouldn't look much different, but the size differences earlier indicated aren't a valid guide. For the same nominal quality JPEG save there does seem more detail in NFL but the difference is more around 15% of file size on this limited number of samples. The encoding picture quality difference may be more.

Yep, the original png screenshots were ~2.3mb each and image hosts didn't seem to like them, hence the additional compression. As I said, direct snapshots from the actual videos would have been better but those give you a relatively good idea of the difference visually.

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#876256 13-Aug-2013 09:28

Any news on when Sommet and Sky are showing their delayed games – I can’t see anything scheduled yet

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#876267 13-Aug-2013 09:47

JarrodM: The iPhone/iPad app is currently with apple for approval. and they're expecting an update from their developer tomorrow about the android app.

Developer, as in singular?!!

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