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#2860642 2-Feb-2022 14:00

Spotify is a private company. It is not the government. They can enforce any rule on their service including "we do not allow wilful misinformation peddlers in our platform"

It is not hard and it's not censorship.

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#2860659 2-Feb-2022 14:11

Stu:

Tidal starts at $14.99 ($NZ) a month and the higher quality (Master Quality audio, Dolby Atmos, Sony 360 Reality Audio) is $29.99 a month. The family plan starts at $22.49 a month, which matches Spotify's $22.50, so I'm trialling this (90 days for $1).

OK, this could be a challenge.

It's telling me I don't qualify. I wonder if it's because I initiated my current 7 day trial outside of this offer.

May have to ping customer support to see if they can assist.

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#2860794 2-Feb-2022 17:29

freitasm: Spotify is a private company. It is not the government. They can enforce any rule on their service including "we do not allow wilful misinformation peddlers in our platform"

It is not hard and it's not censorship.

While I agree with your sentiment, I think it's based on a US-centric logic that private companies can exercise the same rights as people when it comes to things such as freedom of speech. Spotify, however, is not a US company, and I fail to see why a streaming platform such as Spotify cannot fall under the jurisdiction of BSA in New Zealand and its equivalents wherever else it's available. It's a broadcaster for all means and purposes, and BSA authority extends over private broadcasting companies.

If you applied journalistic standards or BSA standards to Joe Rogan's show he'd be off air faster than you could say "what a dickhead".

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#2860802 2-Feb-2022 17:48

I don't understand your point. Are you in favour of Spotify hosting this person's podcast or not?

To be clear, he is pushing misinformation and in my view should not have a platform provided to him. He wants to say something, sure but use his own resources to make and distribute it. Platforms hosting his content are supporting his stupid ideas.

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#2860825 2-Feb-2022 19:27

freitasm: I don't understand your point. Are you in favour of Spotify hosting this person's podcast or not?

I am, but not by the means of consumer activism. This is what really irks me about the whole thing. The power of consumers should not determine what's factual, what's fair, and what's damaging and harming to the society. We're lucky that the majority of people seem to be on the side of factual truth in this particular case, but that's not always going to be the case. Would you be happy if, say, creationists in the US banded together to force Spotify to deplatform the "Science Vs" podcast?

The reason that consumer activism is used to influence companies to deplatform podcast hosts, content creators, etc, is the need to fill the void that was left by the regulators. The average citizen has no other formal ways to act, so they're forced to use their consumer power instead. What we see here is the direct result of the abrogation of responsibility by multiple governments around the world.

Spotify, Deezer, Youtube, etc, plus all the social platforms, are all broadcasters. The fact they use a different technology doesn't mean they are not. As such they should be regulated by BSA, Ofcom, and their equivalent in every country they are available.

Then this whole problem will pretty quickly resolve itself.

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#2860870 2-Feb-2022 21:22

tripp: You can also disable video in the youtube music app under settings etc.

I can find this setting on the mobile app, but is it available on the Desktop as well? I want to listen to music, not watch videos.

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#2860878 2-Feb-2022 22:01

richms: ...Otherwise I may as well just play my own music collection from the days of what.cd ...

Is there any service out there that lets you combine a streaming experience with the ability to upload your own library? Basically Google Play Music from years ago with the ability to discover new content?

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#2860883 2-Feb-2022 22:16

ANglEAUT:

richms: ...Otherwise I may as well just play my own music collection from the days of what.cd ...

Is there any service out there that lets you combine a streaming experience with the ability to upload your own library? Basically Google Play Music from years ago with the ability to discover new content?

I thought that’s what Apple Music did.

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#2860902 2-Feb-2022 23:50

ANglEAUT:

richms: ...Otherwise I may as well just play my own music collection from the days of what.cd ...

Is there any service out there that lets you combine a streaming experience with the ability to upload your own library? Basically Google Play Music from years ago with the ability to discover new content?

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#2860919 3-Feb-2022 06:24

ANglEAUT:

Is there any service out there that lets you combine a streaming experience with the ability to upload your own library? Basically Google Play Music from years ago with the ability to discover new content?

iTunes Match does this - this is a part of Apple Music although it is a separate annual fee for it.

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#2860936 3-Feb-2022 08:00

davidcole:

I thought that’s what Apple Music did.

I quite often drag and drop "obtained music" WAV's and MP3's onto my iphone and they play within apple music. Not sure about discovering content from what you have uploaded.

Apple music definitely learns what you listen to because all of my curated playlists are the only two genres of music I listen to and is contained within my many playlists

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#2860947 3-Feb-2022 08:24

Deezer also state that you can upload your own music, but it’s not something that I have tried.

To be honest, I haven’t come across anything that I would want to listen to that isn’t already offered by any of the streaming services. However my music tastes are fairly mainstream so I could understand why people with more eclectic tastes would see this as a must have feature.

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#2860962 3-Feb-2022 09:25

"You can upload up to 100,000 songs to your YouTube Music library."

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#2861011 3-Feb-2022 09:33

huckster:
"You can upload up to 100,000 songs to your YouTube Music library."

Of you had play music they should have imported themselves over to YT music. They have seeming buried it in to its own separate library though which is a bit of a pain to use. Again I preferred play music's version here but at least the files are still there if I want some weird obscure track I uploaded.

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#2861420 3-Feb-2022 19:19

The reality is Spotify realized a few years ago that podcasts were a much more profitable model than music streaming will ever be, low costs per hour of content consumed compared to paying music rights and they have the upside of placing their own ads or later acting as an MCN/Agent and being a middleman between advertisers and the podcast producers taking a decent cut. It's also pretty cheap to acquire a podcast or network and a good portion of their listeners will also come across to their free or premium tiers to consume that product.

I used to watch Joe on YT the odd time but never was a fan of 4 hour podcasts and repeating topics hes interested in, hes clearly very headstrong and no one is going to change his opinions. I think Spotify 100% knew what risks there were going in but I don't see them dropping him unless it's something more extreme.

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