2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2590012 21-Oct-2020 20:00

ezbee:

NewsHub reports on TV.
Nurses on 20 Hour shifts and pay cuts with DHB taking over.
These are our front line troups who should be getting danger money, and we need them to be on form and precise with their infection control.
Hospital Nurses being used to fill gaps, but are they then allowing them to work back in Hospital ?
Relying on assurances of Counties Manukau DHB , this is naive considering the number of times DHBs have blindsided Government.

We are handing a lot more cases in isolation, so the chance of any slip causing issues goes up.
The dollars being saved by DHB could cost us 1000's of times more.

Hopefully this reporting is not correct.

Oh it was great to see the Sudima hotel, the crews all hanging out on balconies smoking and talking room to room.
Um its not really fit for quarantine, barely for isolation considering the balconies.

I know that one hotel that was being used for MIQ, specifically locked the balcony doors, so people couldn't go out. Also heard that 2 people per room are being used in this case, which IMO is not ideal, as it has the potential to create outlier cases, depending on if one has the infection but is asymptomatic and doesn't test positive, and then passes it on to their roommate.

As there is such a high percentage of positive cases in these groups, I suspect the viral load around the accommodation is also going the be greater. It is a concern, as the more people there are with the virus, the more potential there is for errors. Especially as this isn't the Jet Park quarantine facility. I guess at least they will be going back out to sea afterward.

IMO they should have been required to isolate for 14 days prior to coming to NZ. I understand the film crew that came to NZ did this.

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#2590015 21-Oct-2020 20:15

mattwnz:

IMO they should have been required to isolate for 14 days prior to coming to NZ. I understand the film crew that came to NZ did this.

They did. But self-isolation only. And had standard swap PCR negative 3 days before. 3 were denied the flight due to those results

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#2590040 21-Oct-2020 21:10

MIQ Hotel
Balcony doors,
Well I expect they have so many smokers given Ukrainian/Russian origins, that they have unlocked the Balcony Doors.
Then they were probably told they were low risk by Fishing Company.
Russia its about 31% of population.
https://www.smokefreeworld.org/health-science-technology/health-science-technology-agenda/data-analytics/global-state-of-smoking-landscape/state-smoking-russia/

Covid and Smoking particulates probably a match made in heaven ?

Aussie is getting a bit concerned re shipping.

Coronavirus outbreak on Al Messilah livestock carrier at Fremantle Port sees 24 more crew members test positive
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/another-24-cases-of-coronavirus-on-al-messilah-at-fremantle-port/12782686

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WA Premier Mark McGowan said it was possible there could be "further positive results in coming days".

"It is becoming clear that ships arriving with COVID-19 on board is one of the weakest links and the biggest risk to our way of life in Western Australia," he said.
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Its to be noted our coastal shipping, and probably Pacific shipping are crewed from places with high covid infection rates.
Foreign flagged. Not just an international shipping issue.

For operating safety you have to rotate crews and then there are maintenance issues, aside from interactions in piloting, loading/unloading, customs inspections ( Train the dogs to warn of covid ? ).

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#2590046 21-Oct-2020 21:22

Surprised no mention of this yet: "Auckland bar patrons told to get tested after confirmed case"

Patrons of an Auckland pub have been asked to self-isolate and get swabbed for Covid-19 after being exposed to someone infectious with the virus.

A person who visited The Malt pub in Greenhithe on Friday October 16, between 7.30pm and 10pm, later tested positive for the virus, the Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS) says.

The infected patron is one of two community cases announced by the Ministry of Health earlier today, among 25 new cases across New Zealand.

Two new community cases were announced today, linked to the port worker who tested positive over the weekend.

One of the community cases was previously considered a casual contact of the port worker and worked in the same small firm.

Bloomfield said they spent a few minutes in the same room on Friday morning. They had been tested on Sunday and returned a negative result, but had symptoms yesterday and then tested positive.

The second workplace case came back positive this morning, Bloomfield said, having previously tested negative but who was retested following the emergence of symptoms yesterday.

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#2590064 21-Oct-2020 22:01

Oh ... I was hoping that a lack of info on places the 2 new cases contacts of port worker was because they had a quiet weekend.

We seem a bit slow getting this out ? NSW when I was tracking theirs each case seemed to come with updated list quickly.

Fingers and toes crossed.
Keep scanning and keeping diarys, wash those hands, if everyone rushed the sanitiser carry some liquid soap and water.
Stay safe.

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#2590065 21-Oct-2020 22:06

freitasm:

Surprised no mention of this yet: "Auckland bar patrons told to get tested after confirmed case"

What is there to say?

My thoughts are that if we get out of this local CT without eventual need for another lockdown, we got lucky/dodged a bullet.

I seem to be about the only person scanning the covid app and washing my hands with sanitiser at the supermarket etc. I get the feeling that people are looking at me sideways - as if I'm being paranoid.

People see to have short memories - wasn't long ago that complacency led to the Auckland lockdown.

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#2590075 21-Oct-2020 22:31

Yeap. NZ is now very vulnerable in level 1. IMO We should be in a level 1.5, requiring that people scan or record their details when entering other places. But we potentially have another outbreak and they probably don't have details of people who were at that establishment. Also it seems to have taken too long to get this info out into the public. Nuts. The DH did say that he was over 0.5 levels. It is nuts imo. I understand we had more community cases reported today than Victoria.

I wonder now that this election is finally over, whether the PM or health minister will get back to fronting these stand ups. Hopefully our opposition parties are too weak to question the governments decisions from now on.

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#2590081 21-Oct-2020 22:54

And a 3hr wait to get tests done..

At least people are fronting up I suppose.

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#2590116 22-Oct-2020 07:59

cyclist gets covid twice, second time asymptomatic

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cycling-gaviria/cycling-team-doctor-confirms-gaviria-has-been-re-infected-by-covid-19-idUSKBN2761E3

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#2590136 22-Oct-2020 09:38

So it seems that we may have dodged a bullet - the person who was infected and visited the pub on Friday night was infected on the same day, so unlikely to be infectious at the time. If (s)he'd visited the pub on Saturday or Sunday, then we'd probably have a large cluster of new cases to deal with. Just my opinion, but I reckon that contact tracing the last outbreak in Auckland was probably helped by the small tight religious community, even the evangelical wing seemed to "get it" in the end. That pub looks more like a restaurant/pub, maybe through table bills, bookings, eftpos receipts they'd have some better chance of contact tracing than if it was a boozy bar where all the patrons are walk-ins and many paying cash

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#2590137 22-Oct-2020 09:51

mattwnz: Yeap. NZ is now very vulnerable in level 1. IMO We should be in a level 1.5, requiring that people scan or record their details when entering other places. But we potentially have another outbreak and they probably don't have details of people who were at that establishment. Also it seems to have taken too long to get this info out into the public. Nuts. The DH did say that he was over 0.5 levels. It is nuts imo. I understand we had more community cases reported today than Victoria.

I wonder now that this election is finally over, whether the PM or health minister will get back to fronting these stand ups. Hopefully our opposition parties are too weak to question the governments decisions from now on.

I'm also for level 1.5 and was about to upvote it until I read the rest of the post.

Maybe you're right that it is nuts, but:

The stats don't support you: yesterday, Wednesday 21 October, we had two community cases which is less than the three in Victoria. The other 23 cases were not in the community because they were imported and already in quarantine.
Why would we want wanting unbending acquiescence to whatever the government decides? We need critical analysis and feedback. If you really want to impose level 1.5 then you might need the opposition's support to get it because the authorities, e.g. DH, don't appear to have the will to do it.

What I consider to be nuts is that the reelection of the Prime Minister appears to be encouraging people to relax even more. It is possible that the relaxing is primarily caused by people deciding that summer has arrived. Except that so many people have expressed their relief that the one person who "saved" them from Covid-19 will remain in control so they don't have to worry about Covid-19.

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#2590138 22-Oct-2020 09:58

if we needed further examples of how stuff in the media may not match official information and leads to spread of the wrong stuff. The herald are half pie beating up on their own use of it :)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-the-malt-greenhithe-auckland-bar-patrons-told-to-get-tested-after-confirmed-case/OIIGHNFYZIXPCYBOFC47PE5SYY/

An article, with an affected party saying the articles they're releasing don't match the MoH.. ya don't say.

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#2590140 22-Oct-2020 10:01

I think we have to accept that opening the boarders to foreign workers WILL bring covid in . Just no getting around that now, its too widespread world wide to expect otherwise.
And eventually covid from these foreign workers will leak out in the NZ public . Thats the reality . Just a matter of time , learn from the past experience .

Hoping or relying on testing before boarding the plane is just a pipe dream , REAL WORLD reality with pre-testing is different than what we hoped for .

We also need to come to terms with the fact that any vaccine will only be good for 6 months at the very most , Given we are now seeing more re-infections after 6 months or less .
So to be safe , re-vax every 4 months may be the safe option , if so thats triple the amount of of Vax NZ (and the world) need to buy. Every year
So we cant rely on vax's making us safe any time in the next year+, NZ isnt 1st in line to get any vax , so who knows when will will get enough vax's to make a big difference

There will be another outbreak in NZ , there will be more city wide lockdowns . Just the reality, only a matter of when .
Winding down testing stations capabilities is short term stupidity.
A 3 hour wait for a test , when in off peak is totally unacceptable. Thats a sure way to put people off getting tested .

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#2590142 22-Oct-2020 10:06

I would like to know if the MIQ facilities work in isolating those who are about to be released. If they do a test on day 12 and it returns negative, what guarantees do we have that these people are not going to get in contact with new arrivals or people that are currently half-way through the isolation?

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#2590145 22-Oct-2020 10:13

Yarp. And by Dr Bloomfield yesterday they're not ruling it out even at the top with someone on day 12 going pos along with a couple of day 3s when the facility was previously looking clear.

They were congregating in small groups at sudima as late as tues lunch in the exersize area when I walked past. No way of telling if they were arrival time segregated however.

Tune has changed today. Not ruling out delaying the next charter arrival until the facility is clear again / not crowded or transferral method known.

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