2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2602644 12-Nov-2020 13:28

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-two-new-community-cases-chris-hipkins-and-ashley-bloomfield/55ZLD4ETLFJGY3YUQRHV6W43KE/

There is a new community Covid-19 case in Auckland with no link to the border, coronavirus response minister Chris Hipkins says.

The person is a student and while hadn't been to classes at AUT University, had been to work, Hipkins said.

Hipkins stressed "we are in the early days" of information coming through.

There will be another press conference today, likely about 5pm.

This is... not ideal.

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#2602659 12-Nov-2020 13:34

GV27:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-two-new-community-cases-chris-hipkins-and-ashley-bloomfield/55ZLD4ETLFJGY3YUQRHV6W43KE/

There is a new community Covid-19 case in Auckland with no link to the border, coronavirus response minister Chris Hipkins says.

The person is a student and while hadn't been to classes at AUT University, had been to work, Hipkins said.

Hipkins stressed "we are in the early days" of information coming through.

There will be another press conference today, likely about 5pm.

This is... not ideal.

Its expected, its being dealt with. As has been the case for the last 8 months.

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#2602661 12-Nov-2020 13:36

If we go the last time's playbook we are heading back to L3 for Auckland.

L2 nationally.

I wonder if we will be slowly changing course to Australia's suppression plan?

A year of L2 like status and less hard lockdowns maybe?

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#2602665 12-Nov-2020 13:42

On the plus side they live about 800 metres from their workplace, so its unlikely they were taking PT to and from work

On the not so positive side, they live in an apartment block, so lots of lovely fomite and close contact aerosol transmission possibilities.

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#2602667 12-Nov-2020 13:44

Auckland community case, and initial contacts do not provide a clue to origin.

Now we wait on genomic testing.
Remember how blind we were in the first outbreak before genomic testing ?

I wonder how many scanned in to A to Z Collection store at 61 High street in Auckland ?
I'm guessing almost no one was wearing masks on the busses in the area.

So we wait for tomorrows genome results and more details on other places their might be contacts.

Its where the South Korean and Taiwan contact tracers have a big advantage ready access to phone and cctv data, vs our soft touch.
But thats how we roll and its been ok so far.

Aussie has been ok with odd case popping up every now and then, so may not look too harshly on us unless it gets bigger.
Pacific Islands might be holding their breaths again though, given opening up was very close.

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#2602669 12-Nov-2020 13:45

KrazyKid:

If we go the last time's playbook we are heading back to L3 for Auckland.

L2 nationally.

I wonder if we will be slowly changing course to Australia's suppression plan?

A year of L2 like status and less hard lockdowns maybe?

Doubt it. Its L1 now for all of us, any outbreaks that occur while we are accepting cases at the border and accepting that risk will be catered for as needed.

This can be managed, or we can shut ourselves off. I prefer the former

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#2602676 12-Nov-2020 13:50

ezbee:

Aussie has been ok with odd case popping up every now and then, so may not look too harshly on us unless it gets bigger.
Pacific Islands might be holding their breaths again though, given opening up was very close.

If the need for a bubble is eradication, forget it. If we can keep the risk very low and the action very high thats all we can do. If we required no cases forever form AUS that wont happen as they are knowingly importing cases as well. If NZ and AUS banned all incoming flights and ships, and waited till we had no cases for 28 days, then yes, thats a great bubble to be a part of, but its not realistic

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#2602677 12-Nov-2020 13:50

The annoying thing is that this person felt ill on Monday, stayed at work, went to work Tuesday, got tested Tuesday afternoon, stayed at work and went back to work Wednesday...

FFS.

All we can hope for, is that that business is pretty quiet, and this infected case is a bit of a loner (apparently they told the initial interviewer they'd had very few contacts, and amazingly hadn't been to the gym or supermarket - that'd be a first!)

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#2602679 12-Nov-2020 13:53

tdgeek:

Its expected, its being dealt with. As has been the case for the last 8 months.

The last eight months involved severe restrictions on retail trading.

But yes, expected and I would say statistically inevitable from a false-negative MIQ point of view. Doesn't make it any less concerning.

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#2602680 12-Nov-2020 13:54

Another way to look at it is, each day a case or 2 as it happenned today pops up the odds ar 1 in 5 million or 2 in 2.5 million of our own personal risk. We are in a truly good situation here. Overseas recordas are being broken in what seems to be daily. We have a LOT of freedom right now

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#2602688 12-Nov-2020 14:06

trig42:

The annoying thing is that this person felt ill on Monday, stayed at work, went to work Tuesday, got tested Tuesday afternoon, stayed at work and went back to work Wednesday...

FFS.

All we can hope for, is that that business is pretty quiet, and this infected case is a bit of a loner (apparently they told the initial interviewer they'd had very few contacts, and amazingly hadn't been to the gym or supermarket - that'd be a first!)

Feel your pain... However they did get tested and that is critical to us keeping this under control.

Hopefully people can feel more confident in future to tell their employer they are not well and taking a 24 hour break.

However there are employers out there who are not nice or easy to deal with.
Seen and had my fair share of bulling in the workplace.

I'd give them a gold star for getting tested, now we have a chance to close the net.

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#2602690 12-Nov-2020 14:07

tdgeek:

Another way to look at it is, each day a case or 2 as it happenned today pops up the odds ar 1 in 5 million or 2 in 2.5 million of our own personal risk. We are in a truly good situation here. Overseas recordas are being broken in what seems to be daily. We have a LOT of freedom right now

If the genome testing shows not links to any border cases I think Auckland will go back to Level 2...

Masks on buses and PT, Physically distancing at stores (limiting numbers and queuing) .. I think they will do every possible to avoid another Level 3.... but unless it can be connected it may be inevitable.....

Working from Home is gonna go through the roof and really hurt Auckland downtown retail....

Testing centres are going to get swamped....

Edit: Just noticed, (and is being media reported) that their apartment block is right next door to the MIQ millennium Hotel....??? - certainly a possible vector worth investigating

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#2602691 12-Nov-2020 14:07

GV27:

The last eight months involved severe restrictions on retail trading.

Yes, but thats not due to an unexplained case of Covid-19 appearing which is what we are discussing right now. Yes this could be an outbreak and yes there could be a short perod of extra restrictions as AKL has had. Its part of the deal we are locked into, without choice, until there is a vaccine

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#2602694 12-Nov-2020 14:08

This person being a loner is a double-edged sword - less chance of spreading but finding a source...

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#2602714 12-Nov-2020 14:16

wellygary:

If the genome testing shows not links to any border cases I think Auckland will go back to Level 2...

Masks on buses and PT, Physically distancing at stores (limiting numbers and queuing) .. I think they will do every possible to avoid another Level 3.... but unless it can be connected it may be inevitable.....

Working from Home is gonna go through the roof and really hurt Auckland downtown retail....

Testing centres are going to get swamped....

Agree fully with Masks on buses and PT, Physically distancing at stores (limiting numbers and queuing), but if genome shows no links, I dont see that as a pointer to L2. In the next few hours they will have a better idea how many have potentially been exposed and isolate them all. See what testing brings up in the coming days to see if its very much out there or we have ring fenced most of it. At least when there is an active risk, people play ball a lot more.

Mandatory masks on PT and cabs etc should be brought in and in the CBD in public. That covers off the slackers, every little bit counts

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