2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2611503 27-Nov-2020 06:47

Batman: On final warning. How many warnings do you get

IMO none. No need for warnings, the rules are plain to see, its an 11 month old problem. Look at the multi millions of global infected. Its no secret, and being a cool famous sportsman is no excuse

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#2611533 27-Nov-2020 08:38

Meanwhile in USA the madness contines.

Supreme Court blocks strict COVID-19 restrictions on some New York houses of worship
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/26/religious-freedom-supreme-court-blocks-covid-limits-n-y-churches/3767379001/

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The Supreme Court placed religious freedom before pandemic precautions Wednesday night, temporarily blocking recent rules in New York that severely restricted gatherings at houses of worship in areas hit hardest by COVID-19.
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"Even in a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be put away and forgotten," the court's unsigned majority opinion said. "The restrictions at issue here, by effectively barring many from attending religious services, strike at the very heart of the First Amendment’s guarantee of religious liberty."
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So in the face of > 2K deaths per day, >180K and growing cases per day.
This reverses previous court judgement, supporting ability to control gatherings in a pandemic, and will probably propagate nationwide.

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#2611534 27-Nov-2020 08:43

On the wider world aspects of Covid, I’m getting a distinct feeling that in the U.K. the government is losing control.
Much comment both above and below the line suggesting that bubbles etc will be soundly ignored over the Christmas period (much briefer than NZ with offices etc usually only shut for the statutory days) with people intending to travel and visit at will.
They are in lockdown and a friend of mine has had builders working in the house throughout that, so I don’t think lockdown means the same thing there either. He’s off to Malta in a week’s time as well do not much restriction on international travel.
It’s a bit of a mess.

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#2611554 27-Nov-2020 09:37

tdgeek:

Batman: Do we get a certificate from bloomberg?

Your post is valued, despite the obvious....

Not by me. Watching self-flagellation by fellow NZers who seem to want to deny that we did well is sad.

While a kumara shouldn't need to sing endlessly about how sweet it is, I don't find rejecting compliments earned a very appealing quirk - especially when there appears to be more than a hint of cynical partisan whining to it.

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#2611561 27-Nov-2020 09:41

Article about AZ Oxford vaccine. Not sure how to summarise the article but I won't worry too much. It either works or it doesn't.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/26/europe/astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-data-concerns-intl/index.html

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#2611576 27-Nov-2020 09:52

For language geeks out there:

Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Moderna vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe.

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#2611620 27-Nov-2020 10:38

Fred99:

Not by me. Watching self-flagellation by fellow NZers who seem to want to deny that we did well is sad.

While a kumara shouldn't need to sing endlessly about how sweet it is, I don't find rejecting compliments earned a very appealing quirk - especially when there appears to be more than a hint of cynical partisan whining to it.

I don't see the comment as self-flagellation. More a statement of "Who really cares what Bloomberg thinks on this?"

Yes, we did OK, I'd argue Taiwan has done better than us for many reasons, yet they ranked lower than us on Bloomberg's rating.

We had a lot of natural advantages to do well. Low population density, relatively isolated from infection sources - no leaky land borders, a generally compliant population.

I don't really care how well we did relative to other countries. Comparison metrics can be skewed to give desired outcomes or metrics important to the person compiling the report can have an undue weighting on the outcome. I care how well we have done for New Zealanders, that's what really matters.

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#2611625 27-Nov-2020 10:50

Gurezaemon:

For language geeks out there:

Pfizer vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Moderna vaccine: effective, protective and safe.
Oxford vaccine: effective, protective, and safe.

Yep. The AZ "Oxford" vaccine trial may have a bit of a spanner in the works. It looks like the low initial dose regimen was an error - not a plan, the number of participants affected was small, so the "90% efficacy" for the half plus full strength regimen may not be statistically very robust. 62% is well below the ~95 % claims by Moderna and Pfizer

As well as preventing infection, how severe an infection is if the vaccine "fails" is important.

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#2611627 27-Nov-2020 10:53

Technofreak:

More a statement of "Who really cares what Bloomberg thinks on this?"

You don't need to extend that much say "who cares what anyone thinks".

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#2611628 27-Nov-2020 10:54

I suspect the world will fall into seven camps:

1. Those that will never get vaccinated.

2. Those will reluctantly get vaccinated, because they can't do something like attend school, board a plane, get a job, ...

3. Those that will get vaccinated, patiently waiting till those more in need gets theirs first.

4. Those that will get vaccinated ASAP by their own choice.

5. Those that will get vaccinated ASAP without choice (patients in hospitals perhaps).

6. Those that get more than one vaccination, because they are disorganized, forgetful, ....

7. Those that have a vaccination fetish, and will intentionally get more vaccines from various manufacturers, even if it means combinations are untested, and others needing vaccinations go without

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#2611653 27-Nov-2020 11:22

One local case reported in Singapore yesterday after 14 days with none.

Familiar ring! Another case of an engineer who's job entails going onboard and servicing vessels. Still under investigation though - not yet certain that infection was from working on vessels.

Alas recently mingled with 12 family members at a dinner

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/1-new-case-of-locally-transmitted-covid-19-infection-26nov2020-update

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#2611660 27-Nov-2020 11:38

kingdragonfly: I suspect the world will fall into seven camps:

8. Those who will delay getting vaccinated, allowing others to be the first guinea pigs of rushed-into-production vaccines.

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#2611662 27-Nov-2020 11:42

Victoria reaches official elimination milestone - now 28 days with no cases.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/no-covid-cases-for-victoria-as-states-reaches-official-elimination-milestone-c-1659171

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#2611666 27-Nov-2020 11:50

DS248:

One local case reported in Singapore yesterday after 14 days with none.

Familiar ring! Another case of an engineer who's job entails going onboard and servicing vessels. Still under investigation though - not yet certain that infection was from working on vessels.

Alas recently mingled with 12 family members at a dinner

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/1-new-case-of-locally-transmitted-covid-19-infection-26nov2020-update

Sounds like a word for word reply of our "Maritime Engineer" outbreak- except ours went to the Pub, he went out for a big family dinner

I see the Singapore-HK "bubble" had already been postponed for two weeks due to an outbreak in HK dance clubs.

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#2611755 27-Nov-2020 13:15

Technofreak:

I don't see the comment as self-flagellation. More a statement of "Who really cares what Bloomberg thinks on this?"

Yes, we did OK, I'd argue Taiwan has done better than us for many reasons, yet they ranked lower than us on Bloomberg's rating.

We had a lot of natural advantages to do well. Low population density, relatively isolated from infection sources - no leaky land borders, a generally compliant population.

I don't really care how well we did relative to other countries. Comparison metrics can be skewed to give desired outcomes or metrics important to the person compiling the report can have an undue weighting on the outcome. I care how well we have done for New Zealanders, that's what really matters.

My comment, i.e. Your post is valued, despite the obvious was a dig at what to me was a petty comment "do we get a certificate from Bloomberg" Personally I'm quite proud of what we have achieved. The poster in question has a very negative view of our response, so a bit of negative sarcasm there

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