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  #2641337 25-Jan-2021 08:42
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ezbee:

 

Likely the isolation hotel, its not a perfect system with potential for mixing in smoking and exercise.
Staff testing every 2 weeks is probably too big a gap, and they need to look at rumblings re staff being overworked.

 

Testing all the staff, and retesting all the people through the hotel seems to be underway, so good chance we can get a lid on it.
The Hotel did have a number of cases of the same variant, so we shall see.

 

Kinda surprised on smoking as its a big risk factor, nicotine patches are used in Aussie, though you wont be exercising there either.
The exercise thing is problematic as there are shared corridors, lifts etc, its not really possible to assure separation all the time.

 

This person has done the right thing in a big way, scanning in and going for a test.
Considering after so many tests in the Hotel it might be the last thing you would think.
So they get thumbs up from me.

 

 

 

 

Staff testing at MIQ facilities is weekly at most, with some people being more often. They're currently trialing saliva testing at some places which can then be done daily.

 

Not all hotels are created equal - I'm aware of several large MIQ properties that have no lifts and individual A/C in each room which minimises several of the big concerns. In some Auckland properties exercise is still a daily bus trip to a park. It's for all of these reasons that Australia has never let people out of their rooms at all.

 

Hopefully the serology test and 2nd test due back back today will show that this is a false positive...

 

 




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  #2641383 25-Jan-2021 08:50
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sbiddle:

 

Hopefully the serology test and 2nd test due back back today will show that this is a false positive...

 

 

With 2 negative outcomes 10 days on from close contacts (announced this AM) we're on similar page, and my hope too. 

 

The tennis players cooped up in Australia had a similar scenario. They went positive, but unlike here don't genome test all of those cases to confirm lineage. Once they finally did, Turns out many are historic but still being locked up.

 

If there's no local match to all the other positives been deep tested. That rules miq contamination out and not much left other than false pos, or super weak pos historic falling inside the PCR accuracy range that wasn't picked up with the last 2. 


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  #2641384 25-Jan-2021 08:53
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tdgeek:

 

Perhaps MIQ needs to be, that you are locked in the hotel rooms, no going outside. Given the gravity of Covid, and a hotel room is hardly uncomfortable, its a small sacrifice to be part of Covid free NZ. Smoke on a balcony or bathroom. Keep stocks of exercycles for those that want one. Food is provided, internet, TV. Make the only contact being for tests. No need to have maids cleaning up daily, you do it at home, do it at the hotel room. Make your own breakfast, get supplied lunch and dinner or make your own if you wish to.

 

 

I've just been in MIQ so I can comment from experience

 

  • There are no "maids cleaning up daily", there is no cleaning whilst you are in MIQ. Rooms get deep-cleaned between occupancies.
    The only door-open visitor is the nurse doing the daily health & wellbeing check, everything else is no-contact delivery: there's a knock on your door and the fairies have left a parcel
  • Food, Internet & TV are already provided
  • You can't "Make your own breakfast", it is one of the supplied meals. Modern multi-storey hotels don't provide any cooking facilities other than an electric jug. I think this is because of the risk of cooking smoke setting off smoke alarms
  • "Smoke on a balcony or bathroom". If you smoke in a bathroom, you will probably set of a smoke detector. Rooms with balconies are uncommon, and then you have the issue of gross clouds of stinky smoke drifting into other people's space.
    I suspect the answer might be the Aussie one of "no smoking, have some nicotine patches if you are addicted"



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  #2641397 25-Jan-2021 09:37
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PolicyGuy:

 

I've just been in MIQ so I can comment from experience

 

  • There are no "maids cleaning up daily", there is no cleaning whilst you are in MIQ. Rooms get deep-cleaned between occupancies.
    The only door-open visitor is the nurse doing the daily health & wellbeing check, everything else is no-contact delivery: there's a knock on your door and the fairies have left a parcel
  • Food, Internet & TV are already provided
  • You can't "Make your own breakfast", it is one of the supplied meals. Modern multi-storey hotels don't provide any cooking facilities other than an electric jug. I think this is because of the risk of cooking smoke setting off smoke alarms
  • "Smoke on a balcony or bathroom". If you smoke in a bathroom, you will probably set of a smoke detector. Rooms with balconies are uncommon, and then you have the issue of gross clouds of stinky smoke drifting into other people's space.
    I suspect the answer might be the Aussie one of "no smoking, have some nicotine patches if you are addicted"

 

Thanks for the details. Yes, no smoking. And stay in the room is now I believe the best solution


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  #2641409 25-Jan-2021 09:46
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tdgeek:

 

Perhaps MIQ needs to be, that you are locked in the hotel rooms, no going outside. Given the gravity of Covid, and a hotel room is hardly uncomfortable, its a small sacrifice to be part of Covid free NZ. Smoke on a balcony or bathroom. Keep stocks of exercycles for those that want one. Food is provided, internet, TV. Make the only contact being for tests. No need to have maids cleaning up daily, you do it at home, do it at the hotel room. Make your own breakfast, get supplied lunch and dinner or make your own if you wish to.

 

 


As per the other comment, much of what you describe is already happening. (except as per normal in large hotels, cooking is not permitted)

 

We could however, in line with the aussies, ditch the outdoor exercise and smoking. (provide stationary exercise bikes and nicotine patches where requested.

 

Would run into issues with treatment of prisoners conventions (MIQ is considered detention under many international accords), but I think it is worth it to lower risk to the community.

As a counterpoint the strict Aussie approach hasn't prevented leaks their.

 

sbiddle:

 

Staff testing at MIQ facilities is weekly at most, with some people being more often. They're currently trialing saliva testing at some places which can then be done daily.

 

Not all hotels are created equal - I'm aware of several large MIQ properties that have no lifts and individual A/C in each room which minimises several of the big concerns. In some Auckland properties exercise is still a daily bus trip to a park. It's for all of these reasons that Australia has never let people out of their rooms at all.

 

Hopefully the serology test and 2nd test due back back today will show that this is a false positive...

 

 

Daily bus rides are highly concerning.  Seems an ideal environment for transmission.


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  #2641412 25-Jan-2021 09:58
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They keep wittering on about “shovel ready “ projects.

Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.

Whilst people have a right to come home, that right can and should be seen in light of the rights of the 5 million not to be infected. Flights to lonely military airbase and into new, properly designed and constructed quarantine in a monthly basis only.





 
 
 

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  #2641423 25-Jan-2021 10:22
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Geektastic: ...

Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.

...

 

 

 

Hands up all those thousands of support staff willing to move to a remote location...

 

 

 

 





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  #2641425 25-Jan-2021 10:31
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DonH:

Geektastic: ...

Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.

...


 


Hands up all those thousands of support staff willing to move to a remote location...


 


 



Show me a Military Airbase in a "remote location" in New Zealand. I'll save you the trouble - there isn't one.

Reminds me of an old saying:
The Navy navigate by the stars,
The Army sleep under the stars,
The Airforce choose their hotels by the stars...


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  #2641472 25-Jan-2021 10:42
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Ge0rge:

Show me a Military Airbase in a "remote location" in New Zealand. I'll save you the trouble - there isn't one.

Reminds me of an old saying:
The Navy navigate by the stars,
The Army sleep under the stars,
The Airforce choose their hotels by the stars...

 

I think most people think Ohakea counts as remote - but it's also a fully functional military base, and just whacking something that has to be able to operate as a hospital if things get out of hand is going to be a fairly big operation. 


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  #2641534 25-Jan-2021 11:25
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freitasm: Perhaps a test at day 12 with complete full isolation - not leaving room for anything at all until leaving facility, then another test three days after being released?

 

It's what I would do. In fact, (if I could) I'd suck it up and not leave my room for anything the *whole* time. It's just crazy to be mixing with possibly infected people, especially those who have just arrived from overseas and not yet had a clean test. But I'm sure it's easier to say than do.

 

 


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  #2641547 25-Jan-2021 11:38
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frankv:

 

freitasm: Perhaps a test at day 12 with complete full isolation - not leaving room for anything at all until leaving facility, then another test three days after being released?

 

It's what I would do. In fact, (if I could) I'd suck it up and not leave my room for anything the *whole* time. It's just crazy to be mixing with possibly infected people, especially those who have just arrived from overseas and not yet had a clean test. But I'm sure it's easier to say than do.

 

 

 

 

Its quite a small sacrifice compared to living in a virus ravaged environment which by nature makes life very restrictive. 2 weeks of reading books, internet, movies inside a comfy hotel room is not a lot to ask


 
 
 
 

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  #2641555 25-Jan-2021 11:44
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Geektastic: Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.


To simultaneously house 4,500 people all isolated from each other?

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  #2641581 25-Jan-2021 11:50
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dafman:
Geektastic: Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.


To simultaneously house 4,500 people all isolated from each other?


Show me the aircraft that carries 4500 on a single monthly flight.





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  #2641595 25-Jan-2021 12:05
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Geektastic: Show me the aircraft that carries 4500 on a single monthly flight.

There are currently 4,500 people in managed isolation across the country.

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  #2641596 25-Jan-2021 12:06
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If the 'negative test before flight' works we should see some kind of drop off in MIQ positives.


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