2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2688468 8-Apr-2021 17:03

Dingbatt:

Just watching the 3News 4.30 bulletin. Apparently household contacts of border workers have all been vaccinated because the have now moved to phase 2. No they haven’t. So either the reporter misunderstood or has been lied to given incorrect information.

Nice breakdown of regions ethnicities genders etc in that link but not who.

"Group" 1,2,3,4.

Group 1 vaccinations were scheduled to have the "vast bulk" completed by the end of March. Whether 95% constitutes a "vast bulk" is a good question, as is what's happening with the 5%?

Group 2 vaccinations (480,000 people) were scheduled to start in February.

It's not sequential in terms of "must complete 100% of group 1 before commencing group 2" etc.

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#2688471 8-Apr-2021 17:09

My comment is more to do with the misinformation being peddled by the media.

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#2688472 8-Apr-2021 17:10

Dingbatt:

My comment is more to do with the misinformation being peddled by the media.

I don't believe it is misinformation as that implies intent. It is confusion which is somewhat different.

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#2688476 8-Apr-2021 17:21

I expect the decision by UK to offer alternatives to the AZ vaccine to under 30s may have consequences for supply of other vaccines, including Pfizer.
That's possibly likely to spread - other countries nearing completion of vaccination of vulnerable and older age groups may make the same decision, leaving many or all 16-30YOs unvaccinated isn't a good option.

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#2688477 8-Apr-2021 17:23

If ever there was a need for the Facebook change allowing pages to limit commenters to hurry and be implemented

Yesterday would have been a good time to.

Nz herald article on the flight changes and following comments. Wow.

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#2688481 8-Apr-2021 17:25

Handle9:

Dingbatt:

My comment is more to do with the misinformation being peddled by the media.

I don't believe it is misinformation as that implies intent. It is confusion which is somewhat different.

I just searched up the difference between misinformation and disinformation.........

The main difference is intent.

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#2689476 8-Apr-2021 17:37

Fred99:

I expect the decision by UK to offer alternatives to the AZ vaccine to under 30s may have consequences for supply of other vaccines, including Pfizer.

I don't think it should affect the current planned supply of vaccines, as those will be under contract. NZ shouldn't be short changed as they have agreed to meet specific dates with specific targets. If the UK changes which vaccine it wants to provide to specific people, that would presumably join the end of the queue for the new supply of a specific different vaccine.. That isn't to say that if the UK was in more serious trouble with Covid than say NZ, they couldn't appeal for us to accept letting them have some of our allocation etc in theory, regardless of how likely it would be for us to accept it.

I am of two minds about that. There are some countries for which it's logistically less possible to control the virus than NZ. If thousands are dying there, and we are largely under control, I could see potentially agreeing in the spirit of "we are all in this together", but realize that the impact of that is that some people can't come home for even longer, see family, and that has it's own significant impact.

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#2689477 8-Apr-2021 17:42

The contracts can say whatever you like but if there isn't supply there isn't supply. Vaccine nationalism is a serious issue and the government has less than zero leverage. It is totally insignificant on the global level.

On the other hand by the end of the northern summer some parts of the world like the UK and US will be ramping down their consumption. That will free supply for other parts of the world.

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#2689485 8-Apr-2021 18:04

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Seriously... Somebody whether they be a Govt minister, or senior management inside the MoH, NZDF or MBIE, somebody *has* to fall on the sword for this. It is simply inexcusible that we still have MIQ workers who are not vaccinated, and even worse don't even know how many there could be.

its a pretty easy way to get out of having to work at MIQ to just refuse to be vaccinated. you will run out of people pretty quickly.

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#2689486 8-Apr-2021 18:07

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frankv:

Are there any stats on the efficacy of the second dose versus the time between the two doses? Will it be better or worse if the second dose is administered (say) 30 days after the first, and by how much?

IIRC, single dose efficacy is about 70%? So, although it's not as good as two doses, it's better than nothing.

i.e. can we just get lots of first doses administered, even if that means there's some delays in getting the second dose done?

iirc the need for the second dose is not for the short term efficacy, it is to achieve T cell memory for longer term cover. for how long nobody knows yet but we will in the fullness of time

approximately 60% for the first dose and about 95% for the second one.

potentially need a yearly booster.

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#2689489 8-Apr-2021 18:09

The breaking on newshub, missed both appointments...

And enforcing the re-allocation of those refusing starts next week.

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#2689490 8-Apr-2021 18:09

Jase2985:

its a pretty easy way to get out of having to work at MIQ to just refuse to be vaccinated. you will run out of people pretty quickly.

Hmmm? No one is required to work at MIQ so there shouldn't be a "get out of having to work at MIQ" situation. If someone doesn't want to work at MIQ they can just quit.

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#2689491 8-Apr-2021 18:10

Australia seems to be getting stiffed on supply commitments, and little old us would have even less global leverage.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-04-01/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-not-behind-dept-health-says/100043410

Europe is in a panic, just look at their case growth, variants, its a horror story, and you have spring and summer holidays coming.

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Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt told Sky News the 4 million target wasn't achieved because of overseas supply issues with the vaccines.

The European Union has blocked some vaccine shipments destined for Australia, citing the country's low infection rate and skyrocketing cases in Europe.
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In my experience small players trying to kick up a stink with global corporations 'they need something from' end up worse off, so Government is undoubtedly having to work more subtlety to assure supply.

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#2689493 8-Apr-2021 18:12

Dingbatt:

I had my first jab more than 5 weeks ago and the second 3 weeks later.
At the time of the first one, I registered all my household contacts. They are in the next highest priority, but so far from the MoH......’crickets’. Asking around work colleagues, no-one in their households have been contacted yet. And the fact they have closed some of the original vaccination centres doesn’t fill me with confidence that the are going to come anywhere near their initial targets. With a supposed 90000 jabs having been administered (according the Stuart Nash) to 95% of 16000 frontline people (according to Bloomfield) where have the other 60000 jabs gone?

I was told by my boss when discussing scheduling my jabs that there needed to be a minimum of 3 weeks and a maximum of 6 between jabs (otherwise you start over). I haven’t been able to verify this from any official source.

i registered my wife after my first jab (15th March) and she had her first jab on Easter Sunday, i had my second 3 days later. it was under 2 weeks after i registered her that she received contact from MOH. chase it up. something has gone wrong there or they dont deem your contacts the highest priority at this point.

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#2689494 8-Apr-2021 18:14

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Jase2985:

its a pretty easy way to get out of having to work at MIQ to just refuse to be vaccinated. you will run out of people pretty quickly.

Hmmm? No one is required to work at MIQ so there shouldn't be a "get out of having to work at MIQ" situation. If someone doesn't want to work at MIQ they can just quit.

might want to check that because some people are required to work there.

think NZDF.

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