2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2699429 29-Apr-2021 08:52

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mattwnz: But IMO unless we improve our health system before the border reopens, and have the ICU bed capacity without affecting other health services

That will never happen. There isn't the funding or the people, unless you source them offshore.

Catch 22 really.

The demand for full ICU beds and availability of ventilators for C19 isn't as important as what it was thought may be needed 12 months ago.

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#2699451 29-Apr-2021 10:03

EU pivots to Pfizer-BioNTech. Orders 1.8 billion doses. Hope this does not impact our deliveries?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/business/eu-pfizer-biontech-deal-astrazeneca-lawsuit-intl/index.html

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#2699452 29-Apr-2021 10:05

CDC: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines reduce Covid-19 hospitalization risk by 94% among older adults

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/health/covid-19-vaccines-reduce-hospitalization-cdc-study/index.html

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#2699500 29-Apr-2021 12:13

DS248:

EU pivots to Pfizer-BioNTech. Orders 1.8 billion doses. Hope this does not impact our deliveries?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/business/eu-pfizer-biontech-deal-astrazeneca-lawsuit-intl/index.html

I doubt it, the contract stretches well through 2022, and as of March Pfizer have been very successful in ramping up production,

"Pfizer and BioNTech expect to expand COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing capacity to up to 2.5 billion doses by the end of 2021, thanks to the optimization of production processes and the recent initiation of production in Marburg, Germany. ( that's up from an initial production target of 2 billion set earlier in 2021)"

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2021/03/31/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-ramp-up-COVID-19-vaccine-production-to-2.5-billion-doses

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#2699687 29-Apr-2021 15:13

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Handle9:

That will never happen. There isn't the funding or the people, unless you source them offshore.

Catch 22 really.

The demand for full ICU beds and availability of ventilators for C19 isn't as important as what it was thought may be needed 12 months ago.

Sure but there is still extra demand for ICU beds. There isn't sufficient ICU capacity now in winter and it won't change. Expecting it to is quite unrealistic.

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#2699782 29-Apr-2021 16:56

Fred99: The demand for full ICU beds and availability of ventilators for C19 isn't as important as what it was thought may be needed 12 months ago.

This is not the case in India for instance. At present we don't know what new variants are possible based on activity in other parts of the world. It would be nice to know we have a contingency plan even if the projected actual at this point in time is low.

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#2699784 29-Apr-2021 17:00

gzt:
Fred99: The demand for full ICU beds and availability of ventilators for C19 isn't as important as what it was thought may be needed 12 months ago.

This is not the case in India for instance. At present we don't know what new variants are possible based on activity in other parts of the world. It would be nice to know we have a contingency plan even if the projected actual at this point in time is low.

Comparing NZ to India is kind of futile. You are comparing an emerging economy with a developed one. People routinely die of treatable diseases in India that have been wiped out in developed countries.

35% of people live in slums, it's little wonder that healthcare isn't accessible.

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#2699787 29-Apr-2021 17:01

Love to say I'm wrong. But we may well get individual Genomic variances to study ourselves over the next week with them opening back up and high demand

Although it is a bit of a petri dish in India at present and not much chance to test AND track changes. Any we get at the border soon will be. Bit of pressure on them for letting all the gatherings go ahead. Now being almost suitably labelled super spreader events.

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#2699804 29-Apr-2021 18:08

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Fred99:

The demand for full ICU beds and availability of ventilators for C19 isn't as important as what it was thought may be needed 12 months ago.

Sure but there is still extra demand for ICU beds. There isn't sufficient ICU capacity now in winter and it won't change. Expecting it to is quite unrealistic.

Well you'd do as they did in Sweden and elsewhere, ration ICU beds and not make them available to over 70s etc. Brutal, but it is what it is. In this study / metanalysis , 70% of over 60s that received IMV die, 85% of over 80s die:

C-19 outbreaks have the capacity to overwhelm every healthcare system as if you need mechanical ventilation, your lungs have liquified, you'll be on a ventilator for a very long time, much longer than most ICU patients, and the chance of full recovery is very slim - even if you're young.

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#2699834 29-Apr-2021 20:01

Two red zone travellers were in a Brisbane airport cafe at the same time as green zone travellers - RNZ. Our Ministry of Health saying the risk is low, one of the two has returned a weak positive and the other a negative result and both wore masks apparently.

The real question of course is how, given red and green zone passengers are supposedly prevented from mingling.

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#2699881 29-Apr-2021 22:24

Jase2985:
I believe MOH/DHB is going to 7 day testing now.

In Austria, kids at school are tested three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. People are tested on-demand at walk-in centres and get texted their results. The level of testing in countries like that is amazing, so 7-day testing isn't that outrageous.

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#2699885 29-Apr-2021 22:50

antonknee:

Two red zone travellers were in a Brisbane airport cafe at the same time as green zone travellers - RNZ. Our Ministry of Health saying the risk is low, one of the two has returned a weak positive and the other a negative result and both wore masks apparently.

The real question of course is how, given red and green zone passengers are supposedly prevented from mingling.

They were from a Port Moresby flight, and situation in PNG is not great, 2 hours or more lolling around the green zone lovely.

Not sure if its got much better since this, but it would seem to be very difficult control in PNG given infrastructure and remote communities.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/png-more-covid-deaths-warning-port-moresby/100020876 PNG hospitals under pressure amid surging COVID-19 cases, with patients calling out for help - ABC News

Things seem to be heating up in the wastewater testing in Melbourne too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-29/vic-health-authorities-ask-246-people-to-get-covid-tests/100105702
Good news they are monitoring and refined area down to where they can warn people to get tested as precaution.

Well I am sure the delays in bubble were concerns for Australian managing separation , given multiple red zone Airports and locations.
Anyway hopefully the embarrassment of this will have Aussies improving their procedures.

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#2699889 29-Apr-2021 23:18

neb:
Jase2985: I believe MOH/DHB is going to 7 day testing now.
In Austria, kids at school are tested three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. People are tested on-demand at walk-in centres and get texted their results. The level of testing in countries like that is amazing, so 7-day testing isn't that outrageous.

Walk-in testing is available most places in NZ now. Results are often next day, and usually text.

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#2699890 29-Apr-2021 23:33

Scott3:
What is important to NZ is having the roll out finished as quickly as possible as to get herd immunity, and minimizing wastage of doses (there is a global shortage, so anything we waste mean others are missing out overseas).

We may never get herd immunity with active virus-helpers hard at work here making sure Covid gets a chance. This appeared in the letterbox today:

What's more, did you know that our Prime Minister is a practicing thespian? What's more, she actually matriculated when she was at University, and frequently engages in social intercourse - in public, mind you! Her uncle is a flagrant heterosexual, and her partner has read phonographic magazines! Can you believe someone like that is allowed to run the country? Find out more at www.keepcovidgoing.co.nz before it's too late!

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#2699894 29-Apr-2021 23:53

The two main points are:

#1 - India for example.
#5 - Death for instance.

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