2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2707365 14-May-2021 09:22

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The uncomfortable truth is when NZ opens up there will be deaths.

Yep.

And that may happen on the cusp of availability of treatments which may be (or may have been) very effective in preventing those deaths.

And when those come some people will continue to complain.

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#2707396 14-May-2021 10:08

at the moment people take no notice of 300 or so people dying every year and thousands in Hospitals from the Flu so why should Covid be any different. [Being a little sarcastic ]

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2707403 14-May-2021 10:37

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at the moment people take no notice of 300 or so people dying every year and thousands in Hospitals from the Flu so why should Covid be any different. [Being a little sarcastic ]

Because widespread endemic C-19 has potential to be at least 10x worse and gets added on top of that, and will be a nasty risk/spanner in the works for transplant surgery (organs, bone marrow etc), many cancer treatments, immune disorder treatments etc.

We could do more to nail flu transmission rates anyway, better hand hygiene, possibly normalising use of masks in some situations, and most importantly a cultural change so if you're sick, stay home don't go to work, school, or the Wiggles concert you'd been looking forward to for months.

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#2707432 14-May-2021 11:09

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at the moment people take no notice of 300 or so people dying every year and thousands in Hospitals from the Flu so why should Covid be any different. [Being a little sarcastic ]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But I think I do.

If you let the flu go completely unchecked that's the number you get that you mentioned.

If you spend billions and trillions and lock down after lock down quarantine and testing, trying to control covid, that's the number you get.

That's the difference.

But if you were thinking why don't we let covid go unchecked and set free, well you just need to read the news about China initially, India currently, and then there's good old make America great with covid.

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#2707437 14-May-2021 11:15

Fred99:

vexxxboy:

at the moment people take no notice of 300 or so people dying every year and thousands in Hospitals from the Flu so why should Covid be any different. [Being a little sarcastic ]

Because widespread endemic C-19 has potential to be at least 10x worse and gets added on top of that, and will be a nasty risk/spanner in the works for transplant surgery (organs, bone marrow etc), many cancer treatments, immune disorder treatments etc.

We could do more to nail flu transmission rates anyway, better hand hygiene, possibly normalising use of masks in some situations, and most importantly a cultural change so if you're sick, stay home don't go to work, school, or the Wiggles concert you'd been looking forward to for months.

im talking about when , like the Flu. everyone can get a vaccine maybe yearly and maybe do the same things you mention as a normal or right thing to do to combat covid. It will be like that in a few years because even right now in the USA people are quite happy with only a few deaths a day, and they are starting to return to normal.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2707532 14-May-2021 13:31

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The simple reality is an elimination strategy has always been a technically flawed approach,

We had an eradication strategy - never elimination. The terms have been used interchangeably so much it's pointless arguing, unless you're saying that our "eradication" strategy was technically flawed. It certainly wasn't - and was also morally and ethically the right thing to do.

C-19 pandemic is a fluid ever-changing situation, sometimes it changed for the better, sometimes for the worse. You can't know what you don't know, so they "can talk about it", but not yet make firm commitments.

Well we never used the word eradication, we used the word elimination despite the meanings actually being different.

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#2707534 14-May-2021 13:31

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Looking at Dr Bloomfield's quote from this article I am wondering if he mis-spoke and meant to say "level 1.5".

I don't think so.

There'll be many in vulnerable high-risk groups, some of whom won't have been able to be vaccinated, for some the vaccine won't be very effective, great care's going to be needed when opening up.

They're reporting now he did mean level 1.5

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#2707555 14-May-2021 13:55

sbiddle:

They're reporting now he did mean level 1.5

Yeah, When you look at the restrictions that LEVEL 2 create , queuing for supermarkets, seated single spaced service at Hospo, no concerts/ large sports events/mass gatherings it was never going to fly politically to give all that up for .....Tourists....

+ If you were a tourist from the Nth Hemisphere ( where restrictions are coming down day by day) why would you get on a plane to come to NZ for more restrictions.... it just didn't make sense...

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#2707601 14-May-2021 15:54

sbiddle:

Well we never used the word eradication, we used the word elimination despite the meanings actually being different.

... yet always stated that we'd have cases of escape from MIQ and containable CT. So it's kind of irrelevant - so long as people understood the plan.

If you're saying that the strategy we've used was wrong, you're flying face-first into a mountain of evidence.

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#2707622 14-May-2021 16:10

sbiddle:

They're reporting now he did mean level 1.5

A bit ambiguous from the PM.

She said there was no expectation that New Zealanders would have to live at Alert Level 2.5 for three to five years.

I hope not too. More interested in what happens in the weeks and months after borders begin to open.

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#2707637 14-May-2021 16:36

This government's successful covid response was largely built on clear and consistent communication. That communication seems to be starting to become increasingly muddled.

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#2707646 14-May-2021 17:02

Why the NZ government is not to keen to organise repatriation flights from India

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-14/australia-india-covid-19-repatriation-flight-empty-seats/100140260

"The flight had a capacity of just 150 passengers, due to social distancing restrictions, but more than 70 will be unable to fly.
That includes more than 40 people who tested positive for COVID-19. Close contacts of people who tested positive will also be unable to fly"

40/150 Covid positive = 27% positive 😱

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#2707659 14-May-2021 17:54

alasta:

This government's successful covid response was largely built on clear and consistent communication. That communication seems to be starting to become increasingly muddled.

Well you've got a medical expert with zero training in politics and a politician with zero training in medicine fronting up to try to answer questions that really have no answer...

I think some people expect too much.

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#2707677 14-May-2021 17:59

PolicyGuy:

40/150 Covid positive = 27% positive 😱

That's horrific if indicative of India in general.

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#2707679 14-May-2021 17:59

Fred99:
alasta:

This government's successful covid response was largely built on clear and consistent communication. That communication seems to be starting to become increasingly muddled.

Well you've got a medical expert with zero training in politics and a politician with zero training in medicine fronting up to try to answer questions that really have no answer...

I think some people expect too much.

You've got a senior bueracrat who trained as a medical expert. He's an expert politician, just not elected.

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