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#2708017 15-May-2021 18:06

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Resugence across Asia again, as more added to list.
It appears that along with a level of complacency, having porous borders, smuggling people, animals etc still a thing.
Wealthy tourism to keep things ticking over may be exposing weaknesses with people used to paying fixers to fix.
Impatience ?
Sobering to compare with Auckland conference on 'race' to get bubbles, students, capture wealthy and such.
Timing will be everything, it might feel feel like a long winter.

COVID-19 Worries Return to Vietnam
https://thediplomat.com/2021/05/covid-19-worries-return-to-vietnam/

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Vietnam has seen a new outbreak of COVID-19 sweep across 25 of its provinces since April 27, bringing 580 new infections to a country that had otherwise brought the virus mostly under control since the beginning of the pandemic.
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Vaccination drives stutter as new Covid-19 waves hit Vietnam, Thailand
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3133254/vaccination-drives-stutter-new-covid-19-waves-hit

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In some parts of Hanoi, wartime loudspeakers invented in the 1960s to alert citizens to American bombings have been turned on again to urge people to stay vigilant of the new outbreak.
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Meanwhile, another cluster in Cambodia has been blamed on a group of Chinese nationals who arrived from Dubai then allegedly bribed security guards and left their 14-day hotel quarantine early to visit a nightclub.
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From here, some posters have stated that our response is poor, look at Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong. Now many of these excellent nations are in strife, while our stadiums are full of fans.

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#2708020 15-May-2021 18:11

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I am struggling to understand why we would open up at all in that scenario. It would trash our events and hospitality industries and, as someone else has already pointed out, there aren't many tourists who would want to take the risk of coming here if they are potentially going to be under those sorts of restrictions.

I can understand why we might introduce some limited quarantine free travel on compassionate grounds, but completely opening up to the whole world doesn't make sense to me.

Business.

The irony is that to protect business we introduced wage subsidies, etc. Fix covid health, you fix businesses. As I see it, that worked. There is pressure to allow incoming tourists. But then you also allow outgoing tourists that take money from our economy. So does our economy benefit? OTOH we can't shut off forever, the trick is, how long is forever?

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#2708023 15-May-2021 18:25

Had a catchup wth a mate today, he works in food delivery, so he got a jab. They supply airports and MIQ. Some in his workplace dont want a jab. One is now on permanent leave. I guess thats furlough? If he gets a jab, he returns to work. Others aren't keen on a jab, they just are wary, not because of chips in the serum that track them, just cautious. His wife doesnt want a jab as she doesnt like needles. W T F????

One of his golf mates is an ex cop, he will get any jab, any time.

Very anecdotal, but it seems to me that the general populous aren't sold on the vaccine. Covid is "special" The vaccine is "rushed" End of the day there are a myriad of diseases that get vaccines. If you read the news, you might just see that Covid is slightly serious, yet my anecdotal conversation today shows that its not anywhere near a "I want it and I want it now"

Pretty sad. We can and have landed on asteroids and are bringing that back to Earth, but a vaccine for a global pandemic is "not sure if I will yet"

Unreal. On that I have a colleague, salt of the earth, honest as the day is long, will you get a jab? "Mate, I don't trust it..." Yet his young adult son who worked in hospo said no way will I work there.

Forget eradication or elimination, its here and its permanent.

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#2708024 15-May-2021 18:37

Check out (if you have access to) the official NZ unite against Covid Facebook page. The latest campaign has stars trying to encourage people. Warning them about misinformation. The default overwhelming response. No/it's not tested properly/THIS is the main misinformation. etc etc

At least someone had the thought to ask why they allow comments at all (you can limit them on 'pages' now) when the majority are crackpots they cannot keep up with playing whackamole with. To which the social team replied and said they do monitor and hide mis-information as best they can.

But then people take pop shots at the default copy/paste reasonable and logical answers about the protection it offers vs effects. Asking about 'un reported' related deaths and so on.

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#2708036 15-May-2021 20:15

Oblivian:

^^

Check out (if you have access to) the official NZ unite against Covid Facebook page. The latest campaign has stars trying to encourage people. Warning them about misinformation. The default overwhelming response. No/it's not tested properly/THIS is the main misinformation. etc etc

At least someone had the thought to ask why they allow comments at all (you can limit them on 'pages' now) when the majority are crackpots they cannot keep up with playing whackamole with. To which the social team replied and said they do monitor and hide mis-information as best they can.

But then people take pop shots at the default copy/paste reasonable and logical answers about the protection it offers vs effects. Asking about 'un reported' related deaths and so on.

I think the main issue, for some that are vaccine hesitant, is that the vaccine is said to be "mRNA self replicating for the spike protein".

What I suspect is missed is that Covid-19 itself is self replicating RNA - that is how the virus infects and spreads. So the vaccine is effective because it uses the same methodology but with no 'payload'.

Sorry if I have got this wrong- not a doctor- but feels right to me. And explains why the risks of the vaccine can be considered low in the long as well as short term.

Thanks and Regards

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#2708040 15-May-2021 20:21

Reanalyse:

I think the main issue, for some that are vaccine hesitant, is that the vaccine is said to be "mRNA self replicating for the spike protein".

What I suspect is missed is that Covid-19 itself is self replicating RNA - that is how the virus infects and spreads. So the vaccine is effective because it uses the same methodology but with no 'payload'.

Sorry if I have got this wrong- not a doctor- but feels right to me. And explains why the risks of the vaccine can be considered low in the long as well as short term.

Thanks and Regards

mRNA has been incorrectly associated to DNA. Yes, that is one of the wrong associations they focus on. And the likely source of the 'it alters your DNA!' lie.

Still blind to the fact even if 1 in 1000 have a reaction, the 300MILLION dead when left untouched is still climbing.

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#2708168 16-May-2021 13:45

Covid 19 coronavirus: Wellington residents on alert after weak positive wastewater test result - NZ Herald

"Shedding the virus" never sounds good.

Health authorities have encouraged anyone with coronavirus symptoms to get tested promptly after a Wellington wastewater sample tested weak positive for the virus.

This also applied to people who had recently visited Wellington.

Late on Friday, ESR reported the weak positive result from a Wellington wastewater sample. "A follow-up sample yesterday returned a second weak positive result," the Ministry of Health added in today's Covid update.

"Based on our experience, it is most likely that the two weak positive results are due to recently recovered cases continuing to shed the virus."

In recent weeks, three recovered cases who live in the Wellington region have left the Auckland quarantine facility at the Jet Park hotel.

A further historical case left a Wellington managed isolation facility the same day the second wastewater sample was taken.

"Additionally, it is possible that one or more recently recovered cases from elsewhere could have flown into Wellington," the ministry added in a media release.

ESR said if just one recovered person was shedding the virus, it could be detected in wastewater.

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#2708216 16-May-2021 17:23

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125146300/covid19-traces-of-covid19-found-in-wastewater-treatment-plant-in-wellington

this says encourage Wellington people to get tested if showing symptoms

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#2708218 16-May-2021 18:11

Oblivian:

^^

Check out (if you have access to) the official NZ unite against Covid Facebook page. The latest campaign has stars trying to encourage people. Warning them about misinformation. The default overwhelming response. No/it's not tested properly/THIS is the main misinformation. etc etc

At least someone had the thought to ask why they allow comments at all (you can limit them on 'pages' now) when the majority are crackpots they cannot keep up with playing whackamole with. To which the social team replied and said they do monitor and hide mis-information as best they can.

But then people take pop shots at the default copy/paste reasonable and logical answers about the protection it offers vs effects. Asking about 'un reported' related deaths and so on.

I took a look at that, and it's as you describe, a typical facebook shambles.

Check out the accounts of people posting misinformation, many seem to be trolling accounts with no posts, no "friends" - they've set up multiple anonymous or faked name accounts. It's "brigading", a few nutters could get together to give the impression that there are far more nutters - that they are part of a large movement of people "genuinely concerned". The owners of the page are too slow keeping up.

Facebook is evil by design. They're probably selling bundles of those accounts to businesses or political organisations - so they can use them to help "spread the word" about some other bullsh*t, then charging the organisations to target ads to people who've interacted with the trolls, selected by AI as "possibly able to be turned".

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#2708280 17-May-2021 06:16

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It makes no difference anyway whether he's vaccinated, if he wants to go to Thailand, he'll need to pay for approved quarantine, and have $100k minimum health insurance cover which includes C-19 cover.

https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/covid-19-guide-for-travelers-in-thailand

Stuff should check these things out before writing sob stories with clickbait headlines that read as if it's a failure of NZ systems. It took me a minute to find out the requirements, and I'm not getting paid.

It depends where and when he is going to Thailand. It is planned there will be quarantine free travel to Phuket in July. He's talking about late May but these things are a moving target.

One of the stipulations around quarantine free travel to some countries is effective documentation, including batch numbers. Not having basic vaccine certification is pretty poor.

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#2708282 17-May-2021 07:10

Handle9:
Fred99:

It makes no difference anyway whether he's vaccinated, if he wants to go to Thailand, he'll need to pay for approved quarantine, and have $100k minimum health insurance cover which includes C-19 cover.

https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/covid-19-guide-for-travelers-in-thailand

Stuff should check these things out before writing sob stories with clickbait headlines that read as if it's a failure of NZ systems. It took me a minute to find out the requirements, and I'm not getting paid.

It depends where and when he is going to Thailand. It is planned there will be quarantine free travel to Phuket in July. He's talking about late May but these things are a moving target.

One of the stipulations around quarantine free travel to some countries is effective documentation, including batch numbers. Not having basic vaccine certification is pretty poor.

The card I was given included dates, name of vaccine and batch numbers for both doses. The problem with the current card is that it could easily be forged. But at least the data is there to allow authenticated transfer to a digital platform.

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#2708286 17-May-2021 08:06

tdgeek:

From here, some posters have stated that our response is poor, look at Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong. Now many of these excellent nations are in strife, while our stadiums are full of fans.

Out stadiums may be full but Singapore has had no major Covid cases for months either and had been regarded as the best Covid response in the worl. Now they're dealing with a rapidly changing environment and as on last night looking to fundamentally change their vaccine rollout to speed it up.

We think we beat Covid because our PM told us we had. So did Singapore and Taiwan (but they weren't quite so cocky about it). Anybody who isn't prepared for another lockdown of some sort in NZ is an idiot - and we know from our level of cockiness that most people aren't.

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#2708287 17-May-2021 08:09

I’d certainly have had the jab by now if I lived in an area blessed with a less hapless DHB.

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#2708288 17-May-2021 08:12

tdgeek:
Had a catchup wth a mate today, he works in food delivery, so he got a jab. They supply airports and MIQ. Some in his workplace dont want a jab. One is now on permanent leave. I guess thats furlough? If he gets a jab, he returns to work. Others aren't keen on a jab, they just are wary, not because of chips in the serum that track them, just cautious. His wife doesnt want a jab as she doesnt like needles. W T F????

One of his golf mates is an ex cop, he will get any jab, any time.

Very anecdotal, but it seems to me that the general populous aren't sold on the vaccine. Covid is "special" The vaccine is "rushed" End of the day there are a myriad of diseases that get vaccines. If you read the news, you might just see that Covid is slightly serious, yet my anecdotal conversation today shows that its not anywhere near a "I want it and I want it now"

Pretty sad. We can and have landed on asteroids and are bringing that back to Earth, but a vaccine for a global pandemic is "not sure if I will yet"

Unreal. On that I have a colleague, salt of the earth, honest as the day is long, will you get a jab? "Mate, I don't trust it..." Yet his young adult son who worked in hospo said no way will I work there.

Forget eradication or elimination, its here and its permanent.

The same people who won’t have it due to vague and ethereal concerns still take the greater risks of driving, crossing the road and so on. Heck they’re probably more likely to die of a random cancer or heart attack!

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#2708289 17-May-2021 08:14

alasta:

Public servants get media training before they are allowed to address the media. That training would include the avoidance of any statements that could catch politicians off guard. I would find it extraordinary if Dr Bloomfield would deliberate propose an indefinite level 2.5 scenario without first having consulted with the prime minister, or Minister Hipkins.

Personally I would much rather see the borders remain shut than return to level 2.5. Others are likely to have the opposite view, which means that this issue has the potential to be quite socially divisive.

In any case it seems to be irrelevant now that the prime minister has poured cold water on the idea.

I don't know if the PM did poor cold water on the idea. Her wording was very careful.

The simple reality is out borders have to open and yes, it will be a huge political issue. How it's handled and the ability to handle subsequent cases could potentially even be the undoing of the Government.

The reality is that much of the the Western world will be open within months and living in a new semi normal post Covid world. We're at least 12 months away from opening our borders and are going to need a lot of TLC to help those who simply aren't going to survive another 12 months living in a locked down country. I've just spent the weekend on the West Coast and many people here are simply in despair.

I already know tourism operators receiving large numbers of bookings for summer and early 2022 from the US and UK. These people are going to get a shock when they realise they aren't actually going to be able to come to NZ.

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