2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2721484 9-Jun-2021 22:49

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Geektastic: I had my first jab a week ago.

I’ve now rung the number given for the purposes of booking the second appointment. 132 times.

No answer.

I’ve sent email to the address given as a backup. Unanswered.

No idea what to do now really.

I don't understand how you weren't booked in at the time. Did you refuse?

It's a requirement to get the 2nd appointment booked at the time of the 1st jab, which will also typically be written on your vaccination card at the same time as well.

Not possible. They give you a card with the phone number and email on and tell you to ring to make your second appointment.

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#2721571 10-Jun-2021 07:29

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Yesterday Hipkins said the biggest gaps in vaccinations among border workers - who are meant to be at the front of the queue - were at ports.

He was commenting on figures released to the Weekend Herald showing 3800 non-MIQ border workers are yet to have a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

It's unclear how many of them are subject to a public health order, which requires all MIQ workers and all Government employees at the border to be fully vaccinated in order to work on the front lines.

The Government also wants an estimated 50,000 household contacts of border workers to be fully vaccinated to create a vaccinated safety barrier at the border.

But only half of them have had at least one vaccine jab."

I wonder how many are stuck still trying to work out how to be vaccinated? If you're a direct MIQ or border worker the process was relatively straight forward. For those who may be required to visit such locations (ie you're in effect a 3rd party or contractor) it means you need to be vaccinated, but MBIE really didn't seem to factor in these people or have a process.

Even their official email address for border workers wasn't any help - I'm still waiting for a response a month after my first email to them, having had a reply after 2 weeks apologising for the delay and fact they were so busy and that they would get back to me ASAP.

I really don't think anybody knows how many people actually fit into the category of a "border worker" and that the actual numbers are far higher than anybody estimated.

I genuinely wonder if we're now at a point where it should just be a free for all? Give priority to getting border workers vaccinated still, but beyond that just let anybody be vaccinated. There have been arguments now in many countries (with Australia being the latest) that this could well be the best approach.

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#2721572 10-Jun-2021 07:45

Scott3:

My second dose wasn't booked when I got my first dose on Monday (Auckland). They took contact details, and said they would contact me nearer the time to remind me to book, I think they verbally asked how I wanted to be contacted and I nominated email.

Good god. Is there anything at all that's consistent across the country?! Ensuring the 2nd jab was booked was the very last process during the 1st jab visit and is in some of the MoH information online which details the requirements. I know when I got my first jab that they wrote my 2nd date on my vaccination card as I entered (both had already been booked prior) and the last step before leaving was checking this was on my card and was correct.

It seems pretty clear now that the processes you're describing are very different to the many people I know who have had Covid jabs in Wellington and elsewhere outside Auckland.

My girlfriend had an interesting experience yesterday trying to get her flu jab which was free at her work. When she booked her Covid jab she already had a date for the flu jab - so explained this and they booked her Covid jab 2 weeks before this, and they scheduled her 2nd Covid jab two weeks after yesterday.

Turns up yesterday to get her flu vaccine and they refused to give it to her as they aren't allowed to give flu vaccines in between Covid jabs. They double checked and insisted that it's simply not allowed.

She called back to the DHB Covid call centre who assure her there are no such rules. I also checked with a trained Covid vaccinator last night who I know who was also unaware of any such rules. Everybody just says there needs to be two weeks between the two vaccines.

A quick search last night shows the healthnavigator website says the flu jab can't be given in between the Covid jabs

Note that you need 2 doses of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. These are given at least 21 days apart. This means you will need to either have your flu vaccination 2 weeks before your first Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine or 2 weeks after your second Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

How can we be in a situation where nobody booking or giving the Covid jabs actually knows this?

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#2721578 10-Jun-2021 08:13

I left the first jab just with the card with the details of the first jab, and an 0800 number to phone to make a booking time for the second jab. Decided to wait it out a while to see if anyone called to make the second appointment. Always intended to wait longer than the three weeks. They didn't after four and a half weeks so phoned the 0800 number. It rang for a fair old while but was eventually picked up. Very helpful woman sorted everything and got the second jab the following Monday (exactly five weeks after the first one).

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#2721584 10-Jun-2021 08:43

Scott3:

sbiddle: I don't understand how you weren't booked in at the time. Did you refuse?

It's a requirement to get the 2nd appointment booked at the time of the 1st jab, which will also typically be written on your vaccination card at the same time as well.

My second dose wasn't booked when I got my first dose on Monday (Auckland). They took contact details, and said they would contact me nearer the time to remind me to book, I think they verbally asked how I wanted to be contacted and I nominated email.

My second appointment date was written on my vaccination card after receiving my first dose.

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#2721589 10-Jun-2021 08:57

Dratsab:

My second appointment date was written on my vaccination card after receiving my first dose.

That was exactly what I expected to happen.

But then you’re talking about organisations that still work off manual paper timesheets in 2021.

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#2722585 10-Jun-2021 09:54

Regarding making it a free for all, There are some big advantages to that from an efficiency perspective. - Much quicker to vaccinate the people that bring higher risk people to vaccination centers when they are already there than to have them come back and go through the same process alone later... Suspect many vaccination centers are already doing this.

That said, I don't think we are going to be ready for a full free for all until at least the end of July or Mid August, and having a robust, high capacity booking system is critical to doing so. We don't want people to give up getting an appointment, So I we need to have heaps of appointment booking capacity.

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Good god. Is there anything at all that's consistent across the country?! Ensuring the 2nd jab was booked was the very last process during the 1st jab visit and is in some of the MoH information online which details the requirements. I know when I got my first jab that they wrote my 2nd date on my vaccination card as I entered (both had already been booked prior) and the last step before leaving was checking this was on my card and was correct.

It seems pretty clear now that the processes you're describing are very different to the many people I know who have had Covid jabs in Wellington and elsewhere outside Auckland.

My girlfriend had an interesting experience yesterday trying to get her flu jab which was free at her work. When she booked her Covid jab she already had a date for the flu jab - so explained this and they booked her Covid jab 2 weeks before this, and they scheduled her 2nd Covid jab two weeks after yesterday.

Turns up yesterday to get her flu vaccine and they refused to give it to her as they aren't allowed to give flu vaccines in between Covid jabs. They double checked and insisted that it's simply not allowed.

She called back to the DHB Covid call centre who assure her there are no such rules. I also checked with a trained Covid vaccinator last night who I know who was also unaware of any such rules. Everybody just says there needs to be two weeks between the two vaccines.

A quick search last night shows the healthnavigator website says the flu jab can't be given in between the Covid jabs

Note that you need 2 doses of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. These are given at least 21 days apart. This means you will need to either have your flu vaccination 2 weeks before your first Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine or 2 weeks after your second Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

How can we be in a situation where nobody booking or giving the Covid jabs actually knows this?

Each DHB is managing their own roll out, so there are many factors that are not nationally consistent. Sadly the vaccine roll out is one area where national consistency would have been good.

Untill the national booking system goes live, each DHB is running their own. I also suspect that we may be on the cusp of the national system going live (If not, the project is basically a waste, as we are going to jump to high volume vaccination in roughly a month)

Regarding spacing I thought what you quoted was well known. Obviously can't fit the flu vaccine in the three week gap between covid-19 doses, and maintain a 2 week spacing.

It was explained at my flu vaccination that I needed to wait 2 weeks before a covid-19 vaccine (even though I am group 4 so it seemed unlikely I would get it for months). The date of my flu vaccination was also checked when I got my covid-19 vaccination.

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#2722589 10-Jun-2021 10:00

Scott3:

Untill the national booking system goes live, each DHB is running their own. I also suspect that we may be on the cusp of the national system going live (If not, the project is basically a waste, as we are going to jump to high volume vaccination in roughly a month)

Yio, sounds like it will progressively take over pretty soon

From Hipkins and Bloomfield's PR yesterday

"The booking system has worked very successfully during its piloting phase and is now in the process, over the next month, of being rolled out to all of the DHBs and all of the locations."

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#2723586 10-Jun-2021 10:33

Scott3:

Regarding spacing I thought what you quoted was well known. Obviously can't fit the flu vaccine in the three week gap between covid-19 doses, and maintain a 2 week spacing.

It was explained at my flu vaccination that I needed to wait 2 weeks before a covid-19 vaccine (even though I am group 4 so it seemed unlikely I would get it for months). The date of my flu vaccination was also checked when I got my covid-19 vaccination.

I think you've misunderstood slightly what I was posting.

Her flu vaccine was already a set date so they booked her first Covid jab so she had two weeks between her first Covid jab (she had that two weeks ago) and the flu vaccine (which was yesterday), and then allowed another 2 weeks between the planned flu jab and her second Covid jab meaning she had a ~29 day period between her booked dates for her first and second Covid jabs rather than the usual 21 days.

The DHB booking centre on two occasions and now two Covid trained vaccinators (asked one last night who then checked with another one this morning) say there are absolutely no issues with that, but clearly the people doing flu vaccinations and the healthnavigator site which sources most of it's content directly from the MoH seem to have a very different view and that it's not possible to have the flu vaccine in between Covid vaccinations, even if the 14 day period is maintained.

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#2723592 10-Jun-2021 10:49

Joining the list of places SARS-Cov2 is resurging.
Problems in southern China as evidenced by shipping delays with ports operating at reduced capacity.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3136088/chinas-manufacturers-braced-drop-orders-coronavirus-outbreak

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Severe congestion at Shenzhen’s Yantian port is spreading to Nansha port in Guangzhou following the discovery of several asymptomatic cases linked to international freight shipping operations late last month.
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https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/congestion-grows-in-china-s-yantian-port-due-to-covid-19-outbreak

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Maersk warned customers that the eastern portion of the port, which handles the largest containerships, is open but operating at approximately 30 percent of normal capacity. They reported the western terminal remains closed entirely.
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#2723653 10-Jun-2021 11:27

sbiddle:

Good god. Is there anything at all that's consistent across the country?! Ensuring the 2nd jab was booked was the very last process during the 1st jab visit and is in some of the MoH information online which details the requirements. I know when I got my first jab that they wrote my 2nd date on my vaccination card as I entered (both had already been booked prior) and the last step before leaving was checking this was on my card and was correct.

Didn't happen to me or my mother or my friend. All of us were told to ring and make our own 2nd dose bookings. Birkenhead vaccination center, Auckland.

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#2723662 10-Jun-2021 11:42

Husband of Victorian woman who tested positive to COVID-19 on Sunshine Coast also has the virus - ABC News

Idiots. Complete idiots.

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#2723669 10-Jun-2021 12:02

sbiddle:

Scott3:

Regarding spacing I thought what you quoted was well known. Obviously can't fit the flu vaccine in the three week gap between covid-19 doses, and maintain a 2 week spacing.

It was explained at my flu vaccination that I needed to wait 2 weeks before a covid-19 vaccine (even though I am group 4 so it seemed unlikely I would get it for months). The date of my flu vaccination was also checked when I got my covid-19 vaccination.

I think you've misunderstood slightly what I was posting.

Her flu vaccine was already a set date so they booked her first Covid jab so she had two weeks between her first Covid jab (she had that two weeks ago) and the flu vaccine (which was yesterday), and then allowed another 2 weeks between the planned flu jab and her second Covid jab meaning she had a ~29 day period between her booked dates for her first and second Covid jabs rather than the usual 21 days.

The DHB booking centre on two occasions and now two Covid trained vaccinators (asked one last night who then checked with another one this morning) say there are absolutely no issues with that, but clearly the people doing flu vaccinations and the healthnavigator site which sources most of it's content directly from the MoH seem to have a very different view and that it's not possible to have the flu vaccine in between Covid vaccinations, even if the 14 day period is maintained.

My understanding is that there is no interaction between the two vaccines, and the only reason for the 2 week gap between flu and covid vaccinations is so they can identify which vaccination caused any side effects. Having a gap between 2 different vaccinations makes it easier to work out which vaccine may be responsible for any side effects. Two weeks also seems to be a bit of overkill, since side effects typically occur within a day or two of vaccination. While the ATAGI (Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation ) "doesn't recommend" getting both the COVID and flu vaccines on the same day, the group said there could be circumstances where the co-administration of an influenza vaccine with a COVID-19 vaccine could be considered.

But once clinical guidelines are established, they are typically treated as absolute rules because it's safer than dealing with any malpractice allegations that could arise from not following them. "I followed the established rules" is an absolute defence, whereas "I studied the available material and decided not to follow the rules in this case" could lead to disputes and hearings and pain, even if it was the best thing to do.

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#2723675 10-Jun-2021 12:24

frankv:

My understanding is that there is no interaction between the two vaccines,

When I contacted the ministry about this they confirmed (after a little bit of fudging initially) that they have no clinical reason to suggest not having them close together. It's entirely for admin around side effects.

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#2723676 10-Jun-2021 12:26

QLD case gets better and better

The woman tested positive to Covid-19 at Caloundra on the Sunshine Coast on June 8 after joining relatives there, though it is understood she had been experiencing symptoms since at least June 3.

Now we wait for the sit at home 'it's only a cold.. right' panic ones lining up and getting tested to see how far behind the 8ball it is, and how far she actually reached.

Though a 7-day onset delay may be a bit too soon in that aspect

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