2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2762521 18-Aug-2021 15:19

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The other territory that went into lockdown recently after finding one case is ACT. If their experience is any guide, it could be 4 days plus before there is a handle on how this will play out.

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In ACT's case, a 'mini-surge' on day 2 (ditto here), a lull for a day or two, then the infected contacts but previously pre-symptomatic / not tested starred coming through.

Cases coming thick and fast earlier, could suggest more widespread infection in the wild at the time case 1 tested positive?

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#2762535 18-Aug-2021 15:35

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Cases coming thick and fast earlier, could suggest more widespread infection in the wild at the time case 1 tested positive?

of course there should be more cases. we don't know how case 1 got it. the last few times i think we got off lightly. when they found the first unlinked case the other sources magically fizzled away.

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#2762536 18-Aug-2021 15:35

I real don't understand our new mask laws.

Months of talking about it and all the Govt can come up with is mandating these while visiting some essential services. That's like a 1/10 attempt for effort.

At an absolute bare minimum they should have been mandated in all indoor environments outside the home unless you're working by yourself. Even that's would be a pretty weak rule unlike pretty much every other country in the world that has at some point mandated them at all times outside the home.

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#2762537 18-Aug-2021 15:36

Technofreak:

Hospitals deal with infectious diseases all the time. If, as you assume, Auckland hospital can't keep its staff safe from covid, what makes you think a military hospital could?

I'm not assuming anything. My point being an outbreak at a dedicated facility isn't going to infect other patients because there aren't any to infect other than possibly other MIQ people and staff. It significantly reduces the spread of infection.

The issue in this case was the assumption that an Auckland hospital *nurse*, not patient, was infected at the hospital. A military hospital would also have nurses in proximity to patients.

But my logic still applies... hospitals are organised and equipped to treat infectious patients without them infecting other patients or staff. We expect them to isolate infectious patients. Admittedly, they're not perfect at doing this, but the number of Hospital Acquired Infections is a key indicator that hospital management monitors closely. Every hospital by definition significantly reduces the spread of infection -- if it doesn't, it's not a hospital.

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#2762539 18-Aug-2021 15:37

MikeB4:

@Technofreak your idea is not unprecedented in our past we have established dedicated isolation hospitals and it has merit. I just don't believe our stretched Defence Force would be able to cope resource wise. The time needed to establish a dedicated hospital and to obtain the required consents, supplies, property and staff would take well into 2022 and beyond. Unfortunately we do not posses China's ability to get things like this done.

when you transfer sick people across the country you risk seeding the covid at each point. so whereever you put them, the path the covid cases take confer a high risk.

straight to a place where everyone is able to deal with sickness, or go on a joyride with soldiers who are trained in war and not disease. it's between a rock and a hard place.

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#2762541 18-Aug-2021 15:43

DS248:

quote Fred99:

quote DS248:

My post was about 3rd doses, where (in 'defiance' of WHO) the percentages are much higher than almost any other country.

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Do you have an inkling of why WHO might not be endorsing "third doses"?

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Typical arrogant posting from you!

Yes, I do know (and agree with then). The "in 'defiance' of WHO" was purely a comment. Regardless of justification, it will provide data on resulting impact (if any) of a third dose on case rates etc.

let me remind you all, it was the initial religiously listening to WHO at the start that resulted in a global pandemic.

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#2762543 18-Aug-2021 15:45

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I real don't understand our new mask laws.

Months of talking about it and all the Govt can come up with is mandating these while visiting some essential services. That's like a 1/10 attempt for effort.

At an absolute bare minimum they should have been mandated in all indoor environments outside the home unless you're working by yourself. Even that's would be a pretty weak rule unlike pretty much every other country in the world that has at some point mandated them at all times outside the home.

maybe it's not black and white that masks definitely changes course. i'm sure all these Asian countries who are all masked up are having uncontrolled outbreaks. they did well at the original variant, but then delta came and nothing works. i'm just not sure.

maybe a journalist can ask Dr AB

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#2762544 18-Aug-2021 15:45

sbiddle:

I real don't understand our new mask laws.

Months of talking about it and all the Govt can come up with is mandating these while visiting some essential services. That's like a 1/10 attempt for effort.

At an absolute bare minimum they should have been mandated in all indoor environments outside the home unless you're working by yourself. Even that's would be a pretty weak rule unlike pretty much every other country in the world that has at some point mandated them at all times outside the home.

I agree, a simple declaration that masks must be worn outside ones bubble, period.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2762548 18-Aug-2021 15:52

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Technofreak:

No doubt with the current bureaucracy climate it could take that long.

I believe part of the problem with the way we have been dealing with Covid is that we haven't been serious enough in our methods.

We should be on a war footing with it and that also means being able to build facilities and do some things just like we would if we were at war with a foreign power that was trying to invade New Zealand. We wouldn't be bothering with the likes of the RMA in wartime and it's my opinion nor should we when fighting Covid.

If by some miracle we got a hospital built and equipped by the beginning of 2022 and that really would be a miracle how would we man this hospital? we have chronic staff shortages in our current hospitals and we have a chronic doctor shortage in general. The Defence Force does not have the resources to man it. The NZDF has in total less than 10,000 serving personnel . This includes Infantry, Engineers, Drivers, Pilots, Sailors, Loaders, builders, mechanics, clerks etc etc. It simply is not possible for the NZDF to do it.

We're not at war, so draconian powers are simply not needed. There is no great threat to the country that can't be handled more or less by doing what we did last March-April. And that wasn't a disaster, despite the predictions of doom by some politicians.

I guess we could build this hospital adjacent to Auckland hospital. Or perhaps locate it in a defined area on one floor of a tower block. And use it to treat infectious diseases other than covid. Oh wait, I just described Ward 68 at Auckland Hospital.

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#2762553 18-Aug-2021 16:07

Based on what has happened and it being linked back to Australia, is this likely to be a case of the Trans-tasman bubble ending up costing NZ billions of dollars with lockdowns? I always thought it was going to be a game of Russian Roulette when they don't have the same elimination policies that NZ has, and that our luck would finally run out. IMO while we were unvaccinated, traveling overseas during the middle of a pandemic for mainly recreation was never a wise decision.

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#2762554 18-Aug-2021 16:08

MikeB4:
sbiddle:

I real don't understand our new mask laws.

Months of talking about it and all the Govt can come up with is mandating these while visiting some essential services. That's like a 1/10 attempt for effort.

At an absolute bare minimum they should have been mandated in all indoor environments outside the home unless you're working by yourself. Even that's would be a pretty weak rule unlike pretty much every other country in the world that has at some point mandated them at all times outside the home.

I agree, a simple declaration that masks must be worn outside ones bubble, period.

In my experience it ends up getting ignored. Masking inside gets pretty good levels of compliance but wearing a mask outdoors is uncomfortable and doesn't do a lot if you are on your own.

Introducing rules that don't make sense to most people ends up lowering the level of compliance with rules that are sensible.

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#2762607 18-Aug-2021 16:22

Someone is gone. No need for racists in addition of anti-vaxxers.

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#2762609 18-Aug-2021 16:25

@sbiddle:

I real don't understand our new mask laws.

Months of talking about it and all the Govt can come up with is mandating these while visiting some essential services. That's like a 1/10 attempt for effort.

Because at Covid Alert Level 4 only essential services would be open anyway?

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#2762610 18-Aug-2021 16:27

Singapore is still having masks as part of bending the statistics even with high level of vaccination.
Its really a small thing to do.

Free N95 and surgical masks at selected supermarkets from Aug 26
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/free-n95-and-surgical-masks-at-selected-supermarkets-from-aug-26

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Households here will each be given 50 medical-grade surgical masks and 25 N95 respirator masks, which they can collect at 131 supermarket outlets islandwide from Aug 26.

This is the fifth distribution exercise of Temasek Foundation's Stay Prepared initiative, which was introduced to help prepare communities for emergencies such as Covid-19.
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Of Mad Dogs and Englishmen...

Briton caught on video not wearing mask in train deemed fit to plea, has no mental disorders
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/briton-caught-on-video-not-wearing-mask-in-train-deemed-fit-to-plea-with-no
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Benjamin Glynn, who had claimed to be a "sovereign" in arguing the charges he is facing do not apply to him, has been in remand since his bail of $5,000 was revoked on July 19.
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#2762612 18-Aug-2021 16:36

latest from herald 18/8/21

modelling shows about 100+ cases

genomic link to NSW

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-what-models-tell-us-about-its-size/SL4NACJY4WGJ6XUHINUWLQEAVQ/

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