2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2766905 26-Aug-2021 11:08

Scott3:

80,033 vaccine doses given yesterday. This is epic.

Seems the health Industry is hitting this out of the park, even though we have level 4 restrictions...

If this is a sustainable rate, 80k*5 + say 50k for yesterday, and 30k for Sunday = 480k doses a week. With approx 370k weekly shipments, and a 500k dose stockpile, by past assumption that we won't be dose limited looks to be wrong. It would take us just 5 weeks to burn through our 500k doses stockpile before we have to slow to match 370k dose weekly deliveries. Would put us in a great position in 5 weeks time though, 5.3m doses given out so well over half of the total population having had their first dose.

Press conference said that more medical centers are being brought online, so we could see an even higher dose rate over the next few weeks. Would be great if we can.

Wonder if we can do like Aussie, and borrow 1m pfizer doses from somewhere with a slower than expected roll out? On the other hand, at 5.3m doses given out we will be getting very close to the point where finding people to vaccinate takes increasing amounts of effort, and our centers start having free capacity.

I just wish that more effort (ideally 6 weeks ago) was put into vaccinating people that need to work in person under level 4. In NSW, the spread of covid-19 via essential workers was a large factor in their lock-down failing, we need to put as much effort into that group as possible. And not just supermarket workers. The likes of food factories, meat works and drivers have all been associated with covid-19 spread offshore.

It would be good for media to ask questions again around vaccine delivery. Why did Hipkins keep saying for months that all deliveries would be made by the end of Sept and that they were contractually obliged to do that - and the PM to then suddenly change that?

We know that based on their own planned schedule that we may have needed to push out delivery because we didn't have capacity for more than 4m doses in our freezers so would not have been able to take our full order at that time. Did we really do that and push orders out?

As for vaccinating essential workers.. It just goes back to use thinking we were the best in the world and not looking at exactly what was happening in places like Australia. We simply didn't want to learn. We've all been talking about this in here for ages like stuck records!

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#2766911 26-Aug-2021 11:12

DS248:

One last quick point. You highlight the end of my sentence but not the "wholly'. Yes very few of the under-30's will have been vaccinated but we already know that at least one of those infected was, and almost certainly more were. I vaguely recall hearing a figure but from a quick check, can't find anything online. In the 30-60 demographic, the proportion of Pacific people in Auckland who are vaccinated is close to average. Across all NZ, 36% (~49%*) of the population have had at least one dose, and 20% (~37%*) are fully vaccinated. Auckland slightly higher. And the percentages considerably higher for older age groups.

* (Figures in brackets =#vaccinated/population 20 or older).

Fair enough

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#2766921 26-Aug-2021 11:33

Pfizer are stating that a 3rd booster shot gives up to 3.3x level of antibodies. Seems study was of 306 people andis about to be published very soon.

J&J is reporting a 3rd jab gives a 9 fold increase.

Looks like Boosters are going to be the way we are end up.

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#2766922 26-Aug-2021 11:34

80 new cases in Victoria today.

Hard lockdown with whatever level of non-compliance they're getting isn't really looking like it's working well enough there - if something close to elimination is the (state) target.

OTOH not maintaining hard lockdown while there's still CT isn't an option either - until the theoretical "safe" 70-80% vaccination rate is achieved by which Australia's modelling suggests that deaths over the 6 months following easing out of lockdown should be ~1500.

The next few months are going to be very hard.

Gladys Berejiklian is supposed to be announcing "easing' lockdown restrictions for fully vaccinated NSW residents today. Administering that's going to be a nightmare anyway - let alone they don't yet have a secure vaccine certification system.

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#2766945 26-Aug-2021 11:43

Re : Foreign leaders and Experts denouncing NZs response.

It's getting a bit wearisome and easy to tune out to these idiotic comments/reports. What's obvious is that they want us to fail to some measure so that it makes there own efforts/pathways of spectacular failures easier to bear and feel vindicated. Criticizing us for a slow vaccination rollout is poor form when available stocks were being jabbed into North American and European arms. In the midst of their own pandemic disasters were they going to redirect some of their vaccine supply to a Country predominantly Covid free? Our vaccine stock levels ran right down in early July and at current jab rates will do so again in the coming weeks. I don't imagine ScoMo will sent any our way. All we get out of him is criticism. Nothing constructive or helpful. I see little point in fretting over opening hundreds more little vaccination centres when the ones we have will outrun the incoming supplies. Once the low hanging fruit are all vaccinated we'll be scaling back that whole effort and just mopping up the small remainder.

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#2766947 26-Aug-2021 11:48

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Re : Foreign leaders and Experts denouncing NZs response.

It's getting a bit wearisome and easy to tune out to these idiotic comments/reports. What's obvious is that they want us to fail to some measure so that it makes there own efforts/pathways of spectacular failures easier to bear and feel vindicated. Criticizing us for a slow vaccination rollout is poor form when available stocks were being jabbed into North American and European arms. In the midst of there own pandemic disasters were they going to redirect some of their vaccine supply to a Country predominantly Covid free? Our vaccine stock leves ran right down in early July and at current jab rates will do so again in the coming weeks. I don't imagine ScoMo will sent any out way. All we get out of him is criticism. Nothing constructive or helpful. I see little point in fretting over opening hundreds more little vaccination centres when the ones we have will outrun the incoming supplies. Once the low hanging fruit are all vaccinated we'll be scaling back that whole effort and just mopping up the small remainder.

They dont want to see a solution that worked, as you've implied. If everywhere fails, there is no blame to cast

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#2766954 26-Aug-2021 12:00

Buster:

Re : Foreign leaders and Experts denouncing NZs response.

It's getting a bit wearisome and easy to tune out to these idiotic comments/reports. What's obvious is that they want us to fail to some measure so that it makes there own efforts/pathways of spectacular failures easier to bear and feel vindicated. Criticizing us for a slow vaccination rollout is poor form when available stocks were being jabbed into North American and European arms. In the midst of there own pandemic disasters were they going to redirect some of their vaccine supply to a Country predominantly Covid free? Our vaccine stock leves ran right down in early July and at current jab rates will do so again in the coming weeks. I don't imagine ScoMo will sent any out way. All we get out of him is criticism. Nothing constructive or helpful. I see little point in fretting over opening hundreds more little vaccination centres when the ones we have will outrun the incoming supplies. Once the low hanging fruit are all vaccinated we'll be scaling back that whole effort and just mopping up the small remainder.

Also worth noting exactly where these criticisms are coming from. The American knuckle-draggers have succeeded in politicising vaccinations to the point that they have now become part of the left/right divide. Getting vaccinated or not is a political statement, though of course it shouldn't be. In this context, it is worth noting that the 'expert denouncement' cited above comes from the Adam Smith Institute, which is a right-wing libertarian/neoliberal lobby group. New Zealand's Covid response is none of their F-ing business. They would do better to start looking after their own people, who are a hell of a lot worse off than we are.

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#2766960 26-Aug-2021 12:10

Supermarket worker on the job has it

Now we'll know if masks work...

Also has anybody asked where these cases come from

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300391456/covid19-live-supermarket-worker-appears-to-be-a-positive-case-was-on-the-job-under-level-4

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#2766961 26-Aug-2021 12:12

Scott3:

80,033 vaccine doses given yesterday. This is epic.

Seems the health Industry is hitting this out of the park, even though we have level 4 restrictions...

If this is a sustainable rate, 80k*5 + say 50k for yesterday, and 30k for Sunday = 480k doses a week. With approx 370k weekly shipments, and a 500k dose stockpile, by past assumption that we won't be dose limited looks to be wrong. It would take us just 5 weeks to burn through our 500k doses stockpile before we have to slow to match 370k dose weekly deliveries. Would put us in a great position in 5 weeks time though, 5.3m doses given out so well over half of the total population having had their first dose.

We've got to get through to October , then deliveries ramp again to an average if 1 million a month, -

"We can't sustain 80,000 a day every day between now and the end of September. We would get to the point where we would run out again,

Hipkins said.things get easier in October when about 4 million doses of the vaccine are scheduled to arrive."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-government-battles-to-control-outbreak-as-cases-surge/Z6V2HM2PAVKZK5IFCWOQA7GYXM/

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#2766963 26-Aug-2021 12:14

It's probably too early to call but we may see the congregation being officially labelled a potential sub cluster.

ONE was reporting the proactive move of standing up their own test station. And a community drive through vaccination is open in akl now too doing 1000 yesterday
They're reporting Dr Bloomfield had suggested they may have found a link to the Aug 7 traveller and congregation. With many of the current cases linked to it

Somewhat unfortunate if that is the case.

1pm will hopefully be the reveal all.

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#2766975 26-Aug-2021 12:52

Fred99:

I was going to say no reaction at all yet from my first shot, but if I press hard on the area where the jab went in I can feel now that it's very slightly tender, otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.

I spoke a bit too soon there. Woke up at about 4am feeling a bit crappy slightly nauseous and maybe feverish, and with a sore enough arm that sleeping on my left side was uncomfortable, and still had a dull headache until an hour or so ago. Feel fine now, arm / deltoid is still a bit tender, but all good. At least I'm sure I didn't get saline by mistake. Roll on shot #2.

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#2766979 26-Aug-2021 13:03

Fred99:

Fred99:

I was going to say no reaction at all yet from my first shot, but if I press hard on the area where the jab went in I can feel now that it's very slightly tender, otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.

I spoke a bit too soon there. Woke up at about 4am feeling a bit crappy slightly nauseous and maybe feverish, and with a sore enough arm that sleeping on my left side was uncomfortable, and still had a dull headache until an hour or so ago. Feel fine now, arm / deltoid is still a bit tender, but all good. At least I'm sure I didn't get saline by mistake. Roll on shot #2.

Both of my jabs, about 12 hours after my arm was sore (had the jab at about 2pm, woke at 2am after rolling onto it).

Did feel slightly 'hungover' the next morning after my first, but I had had a couple of drinks the night before as well :) so I can't definitively blame the jab.

Arm was sore the next day (like someone had punched it, but nowhere near bad enough I couldn't use it).

Second Jab - sore arm again, but no other effects.

My wife had the sore arm after her first, nothing after the second.

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#2766981 26-Aug-2021 13:09

Oh no. More good news before what we want to hear :)

Speaking of essential. Vape shops offering pack and send (and some dodgy ones click and collect)

Essential?

Not exactly hardware. Retail can't open, and doesn't seem to be mentioned in the non food essential items

Or is this one of those ones they're self categorizing into 'products for keeping healthy' to allow it.

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#2766982 26-Aug-2021 13:14

Oblivian: Oh no. More good news before what we want to hear :)

Speaking of essential. Vape shops offering pack and send (and some dodgy ones click and collect)

Essential?

Not exactly hardware. Retail can't open, and doesn't seem to be mentioned in the non food essential items

Or is this one of those ones they're self categorizing into 'products for keeping healthy' to allow it.

On the face of your reasoning I agree, but there will be a very very small number of people [in comparison to the vaping use statistic] who need to use vaping as a way to get off cigarettes (not to vape flavours) - do pharmacies stock this? I'm not sure... I guess they might be allowing it so those people can get it maybe

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#2766984 26-Aug-2021 13:15

1029 new cases in NSW. 3 deaths.
There are 698 in hospital, 113 in ICU, 43 on ventilators.

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