2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2767130 26-Aug-2021 17:51

Scott3:

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Are we going to be doing anything similar here?

We may need it for overseas travel: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/subjects/getting-help-during-coronavirus-covid-19/covid-19-vaccinations/how-get-proof-your-covid-19-vaccinations

You can get a vaccine confirmation letter:

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-requesting-proof-vaccination-overseas-travel

That won't be acceptable for many countries. Many of them already require a QR code to verify your vaccination status.

There are solutions like IATA travel pass which will likely end up being the default standard.

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#2767137 26-Aug-2021 17:57

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That won't be acceptable for many countries. Many of them already require a QR code to verify your vaccination status.

There are solutions like IATA travel pass which will likely end up being the default standard.

Right now, many (probably most) of the countries who are issuing a 'COVID Passport' aren't doing so in a way that links that to a verified person and their passport. For travel, your Passport is your identity, so your vaccination status needs to be officially linked to that in some way. There is a LOT to figure out to get to that point.

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#2767152 26-Aug-2021 18:25

ajobbins:

There is a LOT to figure out to get to that point.

IMO by the time it's "figured out" it'll be pointless anyway - however C-19 will present as a disease when it's totally endemic globally, it's not as if you'll be flying from a C-19 zone to a C-19-free zone, thus risking the local population any more than they're already at risk.

Travel insurance industry should sort it out. Unless insurance is made mandatory, it'll probably take a few high profile cases of unvaccinated (and thus uninsured) travellers pleading for help, asking their families to sell their homes to pay for the cost a few weeks in ICU - for the message to get though.

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#2767154 26-Aug-2021 18:28

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ajobbins:

There is a LOT to figure out to get to that point.

IMO by the time it's "figured out" it'll be pointless anyway - however C-19 will present as a disease when it's totally endemic globally, it's not as if you'll be flying from a C-19 zone to a C-19-free zone, thus risking the local population any more than they're already at risk.

Travel insurance industry should sort it out. Unless insurance is made mandatory, it'll probably take a few high profile cases of unvaccinated (and thus uninsured) travellers pleading for help, asking their families to sell their homes to pay for the cost a few weeks in ICU - for the message to get though.

Emirates are including a basic COVID policy with every flight. I think that is likely a model which will become typical.

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#2767156 26-Aug-2021 18:38

Fred99:

ajobbins:

There is a LOT to figure out to get to that point.

IMO by the time it's "figured out" it'll be pointless anyway - however C-19 will present as a disease when it's totally endemic globally, it's not as if you'll be flying from a C-19 zone to a C-19-free zone, thus risking the local population any more than they're already at risk.

Travel insurance industry should sort it out. Unless insurance is made mandatory, it'll probably take a few high profile cases of unvaccinated (and thus uninsured) travellers pleading for help, asking their families to sell their homes to pay for the cost a few weeks in ICU - for the message to get though.

Yes, quite possibly. In the same way that by the time you could build dedicated quarantine facilities they wouldn't be needed per my earlier comment.

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#2767160 26-Aug-2021 18:53

Handle9:

Emirates are including a basic COVID policy with every flight. I think that is likely a model which will become typical.

Is there a requirement to be vaxxed?

I know (err "knew") someone who caught an endemic disease in SE Asia, brought home by medevac, I think that flight was $50k, plus substantial costs of treatments in ICU overseas. He died anyway.

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#2767161 26-Aug-2021 18:58

ajobbins:

Yes, quite possibly. In the same way that by the time you could build dedicated quarantine facilities they wouldn't be needed per my earlier comment.

If you read back to my post, I was talking about serious infectious respiratory disease other than covid. It will come - there's nothing surer. And without some means of dedicated MIQ - we're at grave risk. We can't isolate from the rest or the world 100% indefinitely, and repurposing hotels for MIQ is far too risky.

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#2767175 26-Aug-2021 19:30

ajobbins:

Yes, quite possibly. In the same way that by the time you could build dedicated quarantine facilities they wouldn't be needed per my earlier comment.

So we drag our feet on something for so long until we can argue there's no point in doing it anymore. All the hallmarks of a pro-active, hard and early response right there.

Also, Countdown Westgate now closed, another staff member has tested positive for Covid and there are no planned reopening hours on the website.

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#2767186 26-Aug-2021 20:58

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80,033 vaccine doses given yesterday. This is epic.

Seems the health Industry is hitting this out of the park, even though we have level 4 restrictions...

If this is a sustainable rate, 80k*5 + say 50k for yesterday, and 30k for Sunday = 480k doses a week. With approx 370k weekly shipments, and a 500k dose stockpile, by past assumption that we won't be dose limited looks to be wrong. It would take us just 5 weeks to burn through our 500k doses stockpile before we have to slow to match 370k dose weekly deliveries. Would put us in a great position in 5 weeks time though, 5.3m doses given out so well over half of the total population having had their first dose.

Press conference said that more medical centers are being brought online, so we could see an even higher dose rate over the next few weeks. Would be great if we can.

Wonder if we can do like Aussie, and borrow 1m pfizer doses from somewhere with a slower than expected roll out? On the other hand, at 5.3m doses given out we will be getting very close to the point where finding people to vaccinate takes increasing amounts of effort, and our centers start having free capacity.

I just wish that more effort (ideally 6 weeks ago) was put into vaccinating people that need to work in person under level 4. In NSW, the spread of covid-19 via essential workers was a large factor in their lock-down failing, we need to put as much effort into that group as possible. And not just supermarket workers. The likes of food factories, meat works and drivers have all been associated with covid-19 spread offshore.

It would be good for media to ask questions again around vaccine delivery. Why did Hipkins keep saying for months that all deliveries would be made by the end of Sept and that they were contractually obliged to do that - and the PM to then suddenly change that?

We know that based on their own planned schedule that we may have needed to push out delivery because we didn't have capacity for more than 4m doses in our freezers so would not have been able to take our full order at that time. Did we really do that and push orders out?

As for vaccinating essential workers.. It just goes back to use thinking we were the best in the world and not looking at exactly what was happening in places like Australia. We simply didn't want to learn. We've all been talking about this in here for ages like stuck records!

Your right, set out really clearly in the below.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/443448/covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-delivery-timeline-due-next-week-hipkins

Pfizer had been confirming delivery schedules and quantities about four weeks ahead of when the shipment was expected, he said.

The company had a contractual commitment to deliver the rest of the vaccines between July and September.

Remaining supplies were still expected by the end of September, spread over the three-month period, he said.

Hopefully that statement was accurate. As at the 24th AUG, we had received 3.27m doses. To fill our 10m dose order by the end of sept, 5 weeks away, our average weekly shipments would need to jump to 1.3m doses.

Pfizer seems to have been really solid on deliveries to date, and the government has said we expect to get 2m doses this month, being a month with 5 tuesdays, the current delivery rate is in the ball park of achieving this. So there does seem a decent chance we could see about 4m doses turn up in september. Would be awesome.

Interestingly the "Original cumulative vaccinations model" in the spreadsheet on the MOH vaccine stats page has weeks in September where 500k doses are planned, which clashes with the 50k a day peak vaccination rate mentioned by ministers.

Given that yesterday we did 87,000 vaccines, and there still seems to be more room for growth, perhaps the roll out is quietly doing an epic ramp to take advantage of a massive supply surge next month...

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#2767187 26-Aug-2021 21:01

Fred99:

Handle9:

Emirates are including a basic COVID policy with every flight. I think that is likely a model which will become typical.

Is there a requirement to be vaxxed?

No. They leave that to the destination to administer whether vaccination is requred Many destinations now do require vaccination.

The medical cap is USD500k which is relatively low for travel insurance. AIG are the underwriter.

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#2767203 26-Aug-2021 22:14

James Bond:

Are we going to be doing anything similar here?

We may need it for overseas travel: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/subjects/getting-help-during-coronavirus-covid-19/covid-19-vaccinations/how-get-proof-your-covid-19-vaccinations

Apparently so

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-govt-working-digital-vaccine-passport

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#2767205 26-Aug-2021 22:29

Political kind-of (sorry) - but more about NZ media conservative "opinion makers" and absolutely priceless. From 10 May - motormouth speaks:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mike-hosking-jacinda-ardern-could-learn-a-lot-from-aspirational-gladys-berejiklian/

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#2767225 27-Aug-2021 00:15

What was said dated very quickly. Someone should play this back to him for his comment

To be honest I have been really disappointed in some of the NZ media this lockdown, and in some cases I think they are almost undermining the elimination approach by trying to stir, and has been very clickbaity. Getting 'experts' from overseas to assess NZs approach is just bad IMO.

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#2767226 27-Aug-2021 00:19

mattwnz:

What was said dated very quickly. Someone should play this back to him for his comment

To be honest I have been really disappointed in some of the NZ media this lockdown, and in some cases I think they are almost undermining the elimination approach by trying to stir, and has been very clickbaity. Getting 'experts' from the UK to assess NZs approach is just bad IMO.

Nobody has been "getting experts to assess NZs approach." They have reprinted columns written for domestic consumption in other countries.

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#2767227 27-Aug-2021 00:33

Not certain this outbreak is going to flatten out and case numbers drop as quickly as we hoped.

Still adding new LoI's from as far back as 10 Aug! Our first local LoI just added 8pm 26 Aug (Unichem Pharmacy Silverdale) for 19 Aug. Anyone impacted has had a week not knowing about it.

Plus now a staff member at a retirement home near Snells Beach has tested positive. A household contact of a confirmed Covid-19 case who it seems may have been working while infectious! Retirement home does not (yet?) appear to be added as a LoI.

“Staff members who have been working closely with the positive staff member have gone into self-isolation and will only return to work once cleared by Public Health.

“Residents who were close contacts of the staff member will also go into precautionary isolation.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300392405/covid19-staff-member-at-retirement-home-tests-positive-for-delta-variant

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