2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2770919 3-Sep-2021 09:35

Technofreak:

I believe we lack a good interface between the experts and the general public.

I don't. I think the relatively low level of politicisation of the pandemic response and the public exposure and perception of people like Siouxsie Wiles, Ashley Bloomfield, through to giving a voice to more "dry" experts like Shaun Hendy, Michael Baker etc has been excellent.

Probably lack a good interface to see what's been going on in the rest of the planet, with leaders who've been denialists, promoting folk remedies, cherry-picking tame experts and officials who'll adapt what they'll say to suit what their masters want, making comments like "so what?" when their people are dying like flies, and plain outright lying.

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#2770966 3-Sep-2021 09:41

Premier of Queensland on the NSW response:

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#2771020 3-Sep-2021 09:48

While we have not yet started to see a consistent decline in case numbers yet, the number of Location of Interest is continuing to fall , and is now down around 250... and its looks like over half of those were before the 17th August, so should start to come off in the nest few days....

There are only 30 locations that are less than a week old... so the ring is shrinking....

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#2771023 3-Sep-2021 09:57

wellygary:

While we have not yet started to see a consistent decline in case numbers yet, the number of Location of Interest is continuing to fall.

And at this point in time, we've had good enough compliance to get the R0 below 1.

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#2771025 3-Sep-2021 10:01

And yet more 'we can't get home' stories and someone should do something.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126263887/overseas-kiwis-devastated-after-extension-of-miq-freeze-hipkins-holiday-comment

(there was also more this week about people 'stuck' in Australia who did not action fast enough when the warning flags were present)

I know people here often support those overseas in cases and have defended many of their circumstances and why it is such an annoyance 2 years on right till now.

But I can't help but think, Would it not be people thinking 'it shouldn't be this issue now - I've done it all along, I'll try again..' that are causing the exact jam up they are complaining about.
Like lots of people jumping to the most empty supermaket line, and thus filling it up. Or picking the empty lane on a motorway before a merge, only to find the traffic is jammed up because of the additional merging in.

It seems less and less like circumstances have changed and the need to return is now. and more - 'it should be back to normal, right?'.

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Her 90-year-old father lived in Christchurch and the couple’s 19-year-old daughter attended university in California, so it was important to have mobility between countries

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The 53-year-old has been living in the United Kingdom since 2012 and had hoped to visit her mother in Wellington – but has spent three months trying to unsuccessfully secure a spot in MIQ.

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#2771028 3-Sep-2021 10:10

Technofreak: that many of the experts are so versed in their fields of expertise they don't realise they talk above the man in the street. The average person has to decipher what's being said and make their own, Often incorrect, interpretation. Just look at the confusion over the term elimination. Most took that to mean gone completely or radicated, but as we found out that's not what is meant.

I believe we lack a good interface between the experts and the general public.

Well said.

Perhaps it is a responsibility of governments to assure information on sites like you mentioned are made available for the "lay man". Otherwise these fact or fiction type websites that may or may not be accurate, along with disinformation sites, are driving people a bit with the conspiracy side it seems, at least with the people Ive spoken to that are putting off being vaccinated, and for me that is people I know across the globe, not just NZ. :-(

Like Fred99 said, we here in NZ at least have people standing up making statements.

I think the issue is more of a fact or fiction type website available for all, I mean the average person will not know which websites are which, let alone what is fact or fiction. If people are told by Govts to head to xyz page, and international perspective, for fact or fiction, then the plethora of disinformation sites become a little less damaging. Obviously some people will always be a little tin hat on anything big brother tells them, so be it.

I will try to find some info on this spikeprotein supposed concern and get the Mrs to help me decipher any papers/peer reviews.

General news wise, I see stuff has a "fact checked" stamp on their pages, similar to how wiki works I suppose, kinda.

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#2771029 3-Sep-2021 10:15

I think the Australians need to be looking at the UK response/result to see what may be in store for them down that path.

I don't see Queensland, SA, WA, NTs, Tasmania, really buying in.

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#2771033 3-Sep-2021 10:24

Buster:

I don't see Queensland, SA, WA, NTs, Tasmania, really buying in.

whilst im a dual citizen, and Aus is my 3rd home, I am soooo glad I moved back when I did, pre covid. Given how strong the State Govts, I see it similar to the US situation.

My friend in Cairns has her 2nd shots next week and said all of her friends are being vaccinated, but it might be more due to being in a community service type role, even though she sits behind a desk at home now.

The supposed reports (not fact) on the escapee from Miq sounds like a james bond movie, with CCTV footage reviewed. Im not going to post an msn news link, but the Police response actually seemed pretty darn good given the supposed timing of when they were contacted.

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#2771035 3-Sep-2021 10:26

Buster:

I think the Australians need to be looking at the UK response/result to see what may be in store for them down that path.

I don't see Queensland, SA, WA, NTs, Tasmania, really buying in.

Yeah, the lack of an agreed path for Australia is the most interesting thing to watch,

But in reality those on the East coast are too heavily tied to NSW and VIC, I think in reality only WA could realistically stand opposed on the long term

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#2771036 3-Sep-2021 10:29

Buster:

I think the Australians need to be looking at the UK response/result to see what may be in store for them down that path.

I don't see Queensland, SA, WA, NTs, Tasmania, really buying in.

UK 30 - 38,000 cases per day and 100 - 200 deaths and the stats ranks 3rd or 4th on the BBC News. Even an Abba comeback had more coverage.

It beggars belief but I guess covid fatigue set in a long time ago.

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#2771038 3-Sep-2021 10:33

wellygary:

Yeah, the lack of an agreed path for Australia is the most interesting thing to watch,

But in reality those on the East coast are too heavily tied to NSW and VIC, I think in reality only WA could realistically stand opposed on the long term

Already seeing people in QLD starting to be rattled about the lack of tourism as a result of the borders etc hurting more than a localised lockdown. Almost as if they want them to hurry up and get jabbed so they can open. (quasy NZ isolation by water, but on their own island) Not sure it as as thought through as could be

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#2771041 3-Sep-2021 10:38

Buster:

I think the Australians need to be looking at the UK response/result to see what may be in store for them down that path.

Most Aus mainstream media seem to have taken the most wildly optimistic scenario for the impact of endemic covid from the Doherty Report as has been cherry-picked from an extensive document and presented by politicians and political appointees, and simply run with it.

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#2771043 3-Sep-2021 10:42

Oblivian: (quasy NZ isolation by water, but on their own island) Not sure it as as thought through as could be

Id say more than quasy hehe, that was how Aus kept the "spanish" flu at bay for so long. Similar to NZ now (although NZ left the border open to Aus this time), my understanding is it was a border breach that was the downfall of that strategy, with nurses from the returning military ships, that for some reason were allowed shore leave, while the soldiers with the flu they were caring for had to quarantine on the ship/ships.

It is the State Govt's I assume differing in opinion on the best route to recovery causing a lot of issues.

wellygary:I think in reality only WA could realistically stand opposed on the long term

Well they did want to be their own country/republic not so long ago in history, perhaps this is their chance ;-p.

Obviously unlike NZ, state border control is impossible with so many on or off road options. The Federal Govt needs to some how wrestle an agreed plan and stick to it perhaps....

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#2771095 3-Sep-2021 10:45

Fred99:

Technofreak:

I believe we lack a good interface between the experts and the general public.

I don't. I think the relatively low level of politicisation of the pandemic response and the public exposure and perception of people like Siouxsie Wiles, Ashley Bloomfield, through to giving a voice to more "dry" experts like Shaun Hendy, Michael Baker etc has been excellent.

Probably lack a good interface to see what's been going on in the rest of the planet, with leaders who've been denialists, promoting folk remedies, cherry-picking tame experts and officials who'll adapt what they'll say to suit what their masters want, making comments like "so what?" when their people are dying like flies, and plain outright lying.

Yes, we have people like Bloomfield, Wiles, Hendy and Baker giving good information however that kind of also proves my point. Even with these people providing information we still ended up with misunderstandings amongst the general population. Case in point being most of the population taking elimination of Covid to mean eradication of Covid. A perfectly rational deduction.

Also I wasn't thinking about the various leaders who have been deniers, I was thinking specifically of here in New Zealand.

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I was thinking about a website or page on a website that explains in layman's terms what is meant by the DNA changes ( the vaccine not ours), how long the mRNA process has been around and that it was already in use treating other ailments, how the testing took place and the ratio in "side effects" in both the people with the vaccines and those in the control group, etc etc.

There is currently nowhere to my knowledge where this information can be found in an easy to understand manner all in one place. The web page I mentioned did pretty good job of this but it's been taken down

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#2771100 3-Sep-2021 10:52

Technofreak:There is currently nowhere to my knowledge where this information can be found in an easy to understand manner all in one place. The web page I mentioned did pretty good job of this but it's been taken down

I 'think' Fred was just saying at least we have those people.....

But that was my what I was trying to allude too. Its one thing having announcements, its another having an accessible source for all facts and fiction that is spoken in average person speak.

I'd have thought given this is a global problem there would be such a collaborative "wiki" style site from somebody like the WHO (sorry Pete ;-p).

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