2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2771594 3-Sep-2021 17:36

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Fred99: 1431 new cases in NSW, 12 deaths.
There are currently 979 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 160 people in intensive care, 63 of whom require ventilation.

They expect the numbers to peak in the next two weeks. Makes you wonder what the peak might be?

They are correct, they will peak in two weeks. And three weeks. And four weeks.

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#2771597 3-Sep-2021 17:40

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I really don't like what is going on in Oz. It all seems very political.

To think that we had a travel bubble with then.

You can't keep going there. The bubble was technically a good idea. If both countries are Covid free as was generally the case. I didn't support it as economically its neutral, but friends and family. Had the AKL outbreak occurred first then the Aussies could say what a dumb idea to have a bubble with loser NZ

We can't live our lives with hindsight.

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#2771598 3-Sep-2021 17:43

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I suppose the point was that in New Zealand all the political parties publicly agree on the same basic covid strategy. In the US the two parties/their supporters obviously have wildly differing views on how to handle the pandemic, and while the differences are much less in Australia, there is definitely a Liberal Party "try and stay open for business" vs a Labor party "lock down quickly" divide.

No. Two weeks in, in early April 2020 "its too much, its too long" God help us if we went wth that strategy.

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#2771603 3-Sep-2021 17:58

28 cases today, no word on what they are and where from?

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#2771610 3-Sep-2021 18:13

Here is an interesting take on Australia and NZ Covid public response

The difference in approaches, which has sailed past satire and deep into farce, can be highlighted by two key points. The first is the case numbers which, as of Thursday, had a gap of more than 1000. Yes, the state has 3 million more people than our entire country, and statistics never tell the whole story, but as red flags go, “49 vs 1288” grabs the attention.

Then, there are the protests. On the border with Queensland, more than 2000 NSW protesters, and one horse, whose views on the lockdown are unknown, gathered unmasked to chant, rally, and shout at police. In Melbourne, a protest of 4000 people (no horses of note) turned violent, injuring local officers. In New Zealand, a man in Auckland showed up to protest the lockdown. The police told him to go home. He went home.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/126267765/governments-unlikely-assist-from-nsws-daily-disasters

Opinion piece but the numbers would be correct

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#2771616 3-Sep-2021 18:29

tdgeek:

Here is an interesting take on Australia and NZ Covid public response

The difference in approaches, which has sailed past satire and deep into farce, can be highlighted by two key points. The first is the case numbers which, as of Thursday, had a gap of more than 1000. Yes, the state has 3 million more people than our entire country, and statistics never tell the whole story, but as red flags go, “49 vs 1288” grabs the attention.

Then, there are the protests. On the border with Queensland, more than 2000 NSW protesters, and one horse, whose views on the lockdown are unknown, gathered unmasked to chant, rally, and shout at police. In Melbourne, a protest of 4000 people (no horses of note) turned violent, injuring local officers. In New Zealand, a man in Auckland showed up to protest the lockdown. The police told him to go home. He went home.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/126267765/governments-unlikely-assist-from-nsws-daily-disasters

Opinion piece but the numbers would be correct

Culture matters.

If NZ was in lockdown for ~200 days in the last 18 months there would be similar levels of protest.

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#2771624 3-Sep-2021 19:13

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tieke:
I suppose the point was that in New Zealand all the political parties publicly agree on the same basic covid strategy. In the US the two parties/their supporters obviously have wildly differing views on how to handle the pandemic, and while the differences are much less in Australia, there is definitely a Liberal Party "try and stay open for business" vs a Labor party "lock down quickly" divide.

No. Two weeks in, in early April 2020 "its too much, its too long" God help us if we went wth that strategy.

Oh definitely - at the start of 2020 the National Party was very much in line with the current Aussie Liberal Party policy, and if their statements at the time had been followed, Covid would now be endemic in NZ. At the time, both strategies could have been argued as viable (and of course you will find Simon Thornley and the other "Plan B" promoters still stating that their approach should have been taken), but it turns out that the NZ public isn't too keen on thousands of early deaths.

However National then did their polling, and after seeing that the vast majority of New Zealanders favoured the MIQ/Lockdown strategy they have subsequently come on board, meaning that there hasn't been an ongoing party-vs-party political war entangled with the Covid response.

Frankly, I think the area where NZ has lucked out (on this and many other fronts) is not having the Murdoch press here, doing their ratings-boosting game of pushing partisan hatred and fear-inspiring stories. The internet spillover of the Aussie/UK/US Murdoch outlets has been bad enough, but imagine if we were like Australia and virtually every major paper was pushing a pre-decided Murdoch line, or if a New Zealand Fox News channel had 24-hour a day anti-covid talking heads. We'd definitely be seeing our share of protests and increased societal divisions. It's horribly impressive that essentially the creation of one man can get Scott Morrison and Trump elected and cause Brexit to happen.

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#2771626 3-Sep-2021 19:52

Stuck in NZ due to travel bubble

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300399169/covid19-no-end-in-sight-for-australians-stranded-in-new-zealand

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#2771869 4-Sep-2021 01:27

Batman: Stuck in NZ due to travel bubble

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300399169/covid19-no-end-in-sight-for-australians-stranded-in-new-zealand

One of the people in that video said that governments need to understand that covid is here forever, and they need to plan.. Not sure how long 'forever' actually is, as it may just burn out to become another cold over future years. As the virus keeps changing, and the vaccines effectiveness may also change over time, I can't really see how government can plan that much. Except they do need to plan how our health system is going to cope. Because when we reach peak vaccination (and I suspect that it may become compulsory like Italy plan to make it, and our border staff) then, it will still be infecting us and spreading, and once it is established it is then impossible to get rid of. Some states in Oz are still pursuing elimination just like NZ and have very few cases, so NZ is not unique. So watching how countries like the UK and US are affected by the virus is very handy. There is no herd immunity when using this vaccine because it still transmits via vaccinated people nearly as well. UKs cases keep rising and they have a million people with long covid, which is huge number. So IMO is all about planning. Unfortionalety NZ is usually reactionary, and not proactive. China could built a hospital in weeks and ramp up ICU capacity quickly for covid.

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#2771874 4-Sep-2021 04:20

mattwnz:
Batman: Stuck in NZ due to travel bubble

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300399169/covid19-no-end-in-sight-for-australians-stranded-in-new-zealand

One of the people in that video said that governments need to understand that covid is here forever, and they need to plan.. Not sure how long 'forever' actually is, as it may just burn out to become another cold over future years. As the virus keeps changing, and the vaccines effectiveness may also change over time, I can't really see how government can plan that much. Except they do need to plan how our health system is going to cope. Because when we reach peak vaccination (and I suspect that it may become compulsory like Italy plan to make it, and our border staff) then, it will still be infecting us and spreading, and once it is established it is then impossible to get rid of. Some states in Oz are still pursuing elimination just like NZ and have very few cases, so NZ is not unique. So watching how countries like the UK and US are affected by the virus is very handy. There is no herd immunity when using this vaccine because it still transmits via vaccinated people nearly as well. UKs cases keep rising and they have a million people with long covid, which is huge number. So IMO is all about planning. Unfortionalety NZ is usually reactionary, and not proactive. China could built a hospital in weeks and ramp up ICU capacity quickly for covid.

Build what you like. NZ doesn't have the ICU staff capacity and can not get them.

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#2771875 4-Sep-2021 06:48

Australia getting vaccines from UK, Poland, Singapore

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/300399320/covid19-australia-strikes-deal-with-uk-for-4-million-pfizer-vaccine-doses

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#2771876 4-Sep-2021 06:55

Handle9: Build what you like. NZ doesn't have the ICU staff capacity and can not get them.

To be fair, in the time it would take NZ to fart around and decide to build a new hospital, let alone actually build it, you could probably train several generations of ICU staff. Then if we'd only pay them what they are worth...

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#2771877 4-Sep-2021 06:58

Handle9:

tdgeek:

Here is an interesting take on Australia and NZ Covid public response

The difference in approaches, which has sailed past satire and deep into farce, can be highlighted by two key points. The first is the case numbers which, as of Thursday, had a gap of more than 1000. Yes, the state has 3 million more people than our entire country, and statistics never tell the whole story, but as red flags go, “49 vs 1288” grabs the attention.

Then, there are the protests. On the border with Queensland, more than 2000 NSW protesters, and one horse, whose views on the lockdown are unknown, gathered unmasked to chant, rally, and shout at police. In Melbourne, a protest of 4000 people (no horses of note) turned violent, injuring local officers. In New Zealand, a man in Auckland showed up to protest the lockdown. The police told him to go home. He went home.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/126267765/governments-unlikely-assist-from-nsws-daily-disasters

Opinion piece but the numbers would be correct

Culture matters.

If NZ was in lockdown for ~200 days in the last 18 months there would be similar levels of protest.

But there were large protests in Melbourne from the very start of lockdowns.

I'm sure the different approach had an effect. State/federal sniping and their highly partisan mass media also helped destroy social cohesion.

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#2771880 4-Sep-2021 07:03

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html

Health Officials Advise White House to Scale Back Booster Plan for Now

Federal regulators warned on Thursday they may not have enough data to recommend boosters for anyone except certain recipients of the Pfizer vaccine by late September.

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Among the reasons for delaying is that regulators need more time to decide the proper dosage for a possible third Moderna shot. The company’s application asking the F.D.A. to authorize a booster shot contains insufficient data, one federal official familiar with the process said. Other data expected from Johnson & Johnson has not been delivered.

Nor has the raw data that the F.D.A. has been seeking from Israel, which is already giving boosters to everyone 12 and older. Israeli officials say their data shows that the potency of Pfizer’s vaccine wanes over time against severe disease and hospitalization, but that a third shot bolsters protection significantly. The F.D.A. wants to see the underlying data, to make sure it backs up summaries that the Israeli government has provided.

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#2771881 4-Sep-2021 07:13

Batman: Australia getting vaccines from UK, Poland, Singapore

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/300399320/covid19-australia-strikes-deal-with-uk-for-4-million-pfizer-vaccine-doses

The prime minister said about half of the more than 20 million doses administered nationally were AstraZeneca.

"I want to encourage people if you are booked for AstraZeneca today, go and get it," Morrison said.

(Morrison was vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. It's truly as if the head of the Marketing Department doesn't understand the fundamentals of marketing)

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