2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2772107 4-Sep-2021 15:36

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100 people protested in Auckland the day after lockdown was announced. The smug sense of superiority NZ has isn't grounded in reality.

If the government hadn't been so swift in moving to L4 then it's highly likely that event would have been a huge issue for us, given what we know about Delta now.

I shudder to think what would have happened if we'd waited even just one more day.

It probably wouldn't have been a huge issue but it was certainly possible.

While it appears things are working then you don't get too many of these sorts of events as people can see an end in sight. Once things appear to stop working then they get bigger and bigger.

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#2772108 4-Sep-2021 15:38

Speaking of that. Covid19 site changes in last day or so aside the banner at the top showing northland adjustments. And a new 'contact tracing in the workplace' page and dates of the required change fixed from '7 days after the alert level change'...

'What we all need to do at level 3' has now got a new sub heading

Keep your bubble small

Level 4 page now has

Stay home in your bubble

Looks like the Level 4 business types have now been drop-down categorised with more specific businesses within each group. Perhaps to help clear up the 'I'm essential' self proclaiming.

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#2772140 4-Sep-2021 16:54

GV27:
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100 people protested in Auckland the day after lockdown was announced. The smug sense of superiority NZ has isn't grounded in reality.

If the government hadn't been so swift in moving to L4 then it's highly likely that event would have been a huge issue for us, given what we know about Delta now.

I shudder to think what would have happened if we'd waited even just one more day.

True, Govt is doing a great job in some areas and making mistakes in others, but mistakes being part of the learning process ie had we closed the border earlier knowing the emerging impact of Delta in NSW.

Im thankful for the lockdown as I want out of the actual cause sooner than later.

Although, like I said earlier about people flooding the walkways and beaches to exercise after the storm in Auck this week, I would like to see a change to mask wearing policy. That study on mask use was a good post. I have swapped from my cloth reusable to an N95, mostly for when in large community areas, like my vaccine.

It all just seems common sense..... lockdowns, public hygiene (ie masks), vaccinations etc. It clearly does work so I am baffled at country's that have given up and "living with it", mocking us.

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#2772154 4-Sep-2021 17:37

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Fred99: There are issues that need to be dealt with, the very low vaccination uptake with Maori (~15% of the population)

I read that Maori vaccination was largely in line with others in their age group. It'll bear watching but the median age for Maori is about 10 years younger than the general population.

Even normalized for age, maori vaccination rates are below average.

Source:

https://twitter.com/NZVaxStats

Should note that the impact of covid-19 seems to dis-proportionately impact those living in Auckland. Auckland is 11.5% Maori, where the overall country is 16.5%.

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#2772156 4-Sep-2021 17:44

Handle9:
Fred99: There are issues that need to be dealt with, the very low vaccination uptake with Maori (~15% of the population)

I read that Maori vaccination was largely in line with others in their age group. It'll bear watching but the median age for Maori is about 10 years younger than the general population.

No it's not because of those age demographics, though certainly older Maori (50+) are doing okay. That's probably partly because there's been an effort to roll out vaccinations at maraes. There's a breakdown in stats here:

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#ethnicity

(scroll down to the chart)

The figures are relative to same age group in the general population (normalised as 1) Less than one means the group is receiving a lower proportion of doses than would be expected if equity is being achieved.

So nationally by all age brackets, only 62 and 63% of the general population vaccination rate (first and second dose), even though older Maori are vaccinated at about the national average.

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#2772158 4-Sep-2021 17:49

Thanks @fred99 and @scott3

Interesting stats.

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#2772159 4-Sep-2021 17:49

TeaLeaf: The issue around changing the rules currently on wearing masks when doing xyz, when outbreaks occur, would it not be possible to just make a blanket rule around masks being compulsory anywhere outside ones bubble? Obviously there has to be exceptions to this for certain work etc. After the storm this week ended, the next day was dead still and the water flat as. People escaped the house to get outdoors after being confined to the bubble more so by the storm. The number of masks being warn was extremely minimal in my experience and people were crossing paths often on sidewalks, beaches etc. It went from ghost town beach burbs to quite busy, for so early into spring. It has since declined in numbers I have noticed, more spread out in numbers, as a lot of people got their fresh air fix the day after. Just curious if it is a feasible/practical law change to make compulsory mask wearing, anywhere in public, during times of outbreak?

Why not? Masks if you go to a dairy (as in level 3) if you go to supermarket, Bunnings, etc. Seat belts, you get used to it.

Walking, I see here in ChCh few now wear masks walking.

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#2772160 4-Sep-2021 17:51

Fred99:

1533 cases in NSW, 4 deaths.

1041 currently hospitalised, 173 in ICU, 62 on ventilators.

2000 by Wednesday? Whatever they are doing, its not working. But, for some states its merely collateral damage.

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#2772161 4-Sep-2021 17:56

Oblivian: Explosion of traffic in north Canterbury compared to last Saturday

Fairly sure majority are off to see family and friends

For the last week it's not felt like level 3. More felt like level 1 with inconvenience of masks and no in-store shopping

That's if you can find people going to the dairy or pickup of takeaways actually with a mask and spaced.

'business that serves customers' is pretty clear

To me, also in ChCh its Level 4, except I attended a funeral today, a disappointing experience. 10 are allowed, that includes the Funeral Director, Minister, assistant and AV guy for live streaming, that left 6 of us. Level 4 with takeaways. Yes we can do click and collect, ok if you want a Bosch 123XYZ model, but not that helpful for stuff you want to browse and choose. Ill suck it up this week for my gardening supplies which probably wont be completed correctly, then its back to Level 4

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#2772172 4-Sep-2021 18:36

tdgeek:

2000 by Wednesday? Whatever they are doing, its not working. But, for some states its merely collateral damage.

I think case doubling rate is at about 8 or 9 days, so maybe.

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#2772247 4-Sep-2021 22:50

TeaLeaf:
Ge0rge: 20 cases in NZ, one death overnight.

43 in hospital, 7 in ICU, 3 of those requiring ventilation.

We maybe copping flack internationally for our policy given such numbers, but I know which type of policy I would rather being living under. NZ to come out the other side a world economic power hehe :-)

I feel so proud to be a kiwi.

When international agencies report in NZs numbers and elimination policies, do they mention that NZ has the least number of ICU beds per capita in the OECD after Mexico. So we have no choice unless we want the hospitals to be overwhelmed in a short period of time, and lots of people dying and long covid. Even with high vaccination. Not sure much has been done to improve this. I have been watching the UK and their numbers are tracking upwards and 200 people died a day a couple of days ago.

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#2772273 5-Sep-2021 07:52

Experts call for Level 2

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126285992/covid19-public-health-experts-call-for-alert-level-2plus-to-combat-delta-mutation

And mandatory scanning and masks in indoor locations. Mitre 10, Bunnings, Garden Centres can manage that easily. Supermarkets being busy, and dairies being small are arguably far higher risk than other shopping locations. Malls? Distancing, and each smaller shop needs to maintain a shopper limit to manage distancing. An announcement is Monday, SI should go to Level 2 Plus, Welly, maybe a few extra days.

Edit: And a big sign in big bold letters, 2 Metres apart, and get what you need then leave, no browsing.

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#2772275 5-Sep-2021 08:29

tdgeek:

Experts call for Level 2

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126285992/covid19-public-health-experts-call-for-alert-level-2plus-to-combat-delta-mutation

And mandatory scanning and masks in indoor locations. Mitre 10, Bunnings, Garden Centres can manage that easily. Supermarkets being busy, and dairies being small are arguably far higher risk than other shopping locations. Malls? Distancing, and each smaller shop needs to maintain a shopper limit to manage distancing. An announcement is Monday, SI should go to Level 2 Plus, Welly, maybe a few extra days.

Edit: And a big sign in big bold letters, 2 Metres apart, and get what you need then leave, no browsing.

Level 2 "plus"

They say alert level 2-plus should include mandatory mask-wearing in indoor settings outside the home; mandatory QR code scanning; limiting gatherings to 25 people indoors and 50 outdoors; and the closure of “venues that present a high risk of super-spreading events”, such as bars, nightclubs, gyms and churches.

Yes - but I guess there will be considerable kickback against this - despite damned good evidence that these venues and activities are linked to superspreading events.

The outbreak we're trying to shut down was a very close call with many CT infections before the first case was picked up. If the person in Coromandel hadn't decided to get tested and the outbreak hadn't been picked up for another few days then we'd be having sustained and uncontained CT and potentially endless lockdowns until the political decision to risk opening up was made, so those businesses would have been screwed anyway.

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#2772390 5-Sep-2021 09:30

Yeh No way. There will be kick back and the police will be strecthed too thin.

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#2772447 5-Sep-2021 09:52

cruxis:

Yeh No way. There will be kick back and the police will be strecthed too thin.

The masses will toe the party line as long as progress/trends are favourable.

Those that kick up will stick out like dogs balls.

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