2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2772648 6-Sep-2021 08:49

Fred99:

As well as the probability that he's spread it in the hospital, where did this case come from in the community?

that is the most important question that nobody seems to have paid attention to.

better not be someone who flew up from the south island ...

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#2772650 6-Sep-2021 08:52

RNZ reporting the patient was admitted on Saturday night with abdominal pain and was asymptomatic - which is clearly a very different view to the original story from the person in the same ward who said they were sneezing and coughing.

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#2772653 6-Sep-2021 08:56

Fred99:

When I read the article last night, it was very much anecdotal, maybe people have just exaggerated and this whole debacle never happened at all, in the morning I'd wake up and the entire story had vanished, like a nightmare or a miracle or whatever.

merged into NZHs main 'LIVE' feed.

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#2772655 6-Sep-2021 08:59

sbiddle:
The vaxx.nz site shows up some glaring abnormalities when you start looking at different places around NZ.

Here in Wellington there is significant availability every day this week at the Pipitea Marae / Capital Gateway site - right now 70 slots are free today. If you look at Christchurch there at two days between now and the end of October that have availability - and that is a single booking on each of those days.

I checked my local area and found either 0 or days that have new slots available throughout. Looks like the site has found extra staff for some days.

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#2772656 6-Sep-2021 09:02

sbiddle:

Here in Wellington there is significant availability every day this week at the Pipitea Marae / Capital Gateway site - right now 70 slots are free today.

That's interesting. I live in Island Bay and, on the day when the 30+ age group went live, I couldn't find any availability in this area until October. When I looked further afield the Pipitea Marae had availability in late September, and I ended up booking at a church in Khandallah which had early September slots. I have since heard that in recent days that vaccination centres in Kilbirnie and Island Bay have been taking walk ins!

It seems like the official booking web site is making people wait much longer than they need to.

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#2772660 6-Sep-2021 09:12

sbiddle:

RNZ reporting the patient was admitted on Saturday night with abdominal pain and was asymptomatic - which is clearly a very different view to the original story from the person in the same ward who said they were sneezing and coughing.

IIRC, that patient was 91 years old. Doesn't mean his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Why in a pandemic which fells elderly people like flies would 91 year old patients be in a shared ward with new acute admissions in the same room?

Unspoken rule #1 in hospitals is "Don't (effing) kill anybody". Sometimes they do of course, but they don't like talking about it, it's a bad look, people have an expectation that everything runs like a wall oiled machine, staffed by gods and angels.

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#2772663 6-Sep-2021 09:17

We got our 1st shot at a Wgtn medical centre and were due for the 2nd there late Aug. At L3/4 they agreed that we should book elsewhere closer to home. Since then we get frequent reminders that they have plenty of bookings available. They shouldn't have to be looking for bookings if load sharing was working.

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#2772665 6-Sep-2021 09:25

sbiddle:If you look at Christchurch there at two days between now and the end of October that have availability - and that is a single booking on each of those days.

Plenty of slots available in September at The Loons in Lyttelton.

My SO booked at the large centre at Princess Margaret. Now that mass vaccination site shows no slots available at all.

This isn't an answer to your questions. But if anybody in Chch want a shot, then Lyttelton is a short trip for most.

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#2772681 6-Sep-2021 10:14

Fred99:

sbiddle:

RNZ reporting the patient was admitted on Saturday night with abdominal pain and was asymptomatic - which is clearly a very different view to the original story from the person in the same ward who said they were sneezing and coughing.

IIRC, that patient was 91 years old. Doesn't mean his word shouldn't be taken as gospel. Why in a pandemic which fells elderly people like flies would 91 year old patients be in a shared ward with new acute admissions in the same room?

Unspoken rule #1 in hospitals is "Don't (effing) kill anybody". Sometimes they do of course, but they don't like talking about it, it's a bad look, people have an expectation that everything runs like a wall oiled machine, staffed by gods and angels.

Initial article on the 1News site quoted two of the three patients in the room, the 91 year old and the 30 year old.

A later 1New article also states that "An employee at the hospital confirmed the case to 1 NEWS on Sunday evening." https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-case-middlemore-ward-disturbing-robertson

In further elaboration on Stuff: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300400249/covid19-middlemore-patient-tests-positive-staff-and-patients-in-selfisolation

"The person showed symptoms of the virus while in the ward and a test was taken." ... "He [Roberston] said staff followed strict infection protocols once notified that the person tested positive and wore full PPE including N95 masks."

So, PPE and strict infection [control] protocols etc after the fact. As per the initial 1News article, a "major stuff up".

The RNZ article claiming the patient was asymptomatic has all the hallmarks of spin.

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#2772690 6-Sep-2021 10:39

sbiddle:
The vaxx.nz site shows up some glaring abnormalities when you start looking at different places around NZ.

Thanks for that site mate, awesome.

I would love to have seen between Auck and Whangarei as of last week. Its not like we were making accessibility up. But its definitely been addressed in that corridor, which will help my disabled friend get to one, if their family can assist. I will send them the link.

Anywhere within 30km is acceptable, just my opinion. So I hope people in CCh have that level of access. Regardless of where the virus lockdown is now, and the higher probability (logic tells me so based on border entry number and much tighter volume of pop?) it is Auck that will be in and out of lockdown in the future, we need everybody to have access, given which border it enters is not certain/guaranteed.

I have a question on variants and the future I will place in the vaccine thread.

But has there been any modelling on when we will likely get ahead of the virus from a booster perspective?

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#2772751 6-Sep-2021 11:03

DS248:

The RNZ article claiming the patient was asymptomatic has all the hallmarks of spin.

They seem to be citing what MoH said.

The presser this afternoon is set to be a doozy. If you were the person facing the expected barrage of questions, you'll be having a busy day getting prepared with "satisfactory" answers when on the surface of it, this event could mean extending Auckland's level 4 for another 2-3 weeks. And if it means tracing back the patient's movements. isolating and testing every contact, then there's really not going to be a satisfactory answer this afternoon.

Abdominal pain can be a symptom of Covid:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-coronavirus-abdominal-pain-named-as-weird-new-symptom/YAPBDG5WGYQQTCBRF3NMD7CZWQ/

(my opinion on what went wrong here - from what I've seen so far - absolutely everything)

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#2772756 6-Sep-2021 11:14

Fred99:
sbiddle:If you look at Christchurch there at two days between now and the end of October that have availability - and that is a single booking on each of those days.

Plenty of slots available in September at The Loons in Lyttelton.

My SO booked at the large centre at Princess Margaret. Now that mass vaccination site shows no slots available at all.

This isn't an answer to your questions. But if anybody in Chch want a shot, then Lyttelton is a short trip for most.

Weird stuff is going on. I book 10 days ago and the first available slot in Christchurch was 20th Sept. Princess Margaret.did not show upon the list. Then on Wednesday the boss got vaccinated there (only booked a few days previous) so I checked and Princess Margaret was not showing for me. I just checked today and now it is showing and lots of available slots.

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#2772757 6-Sep-2021 11:19

TeaLeaf: So I hope people in CCh have that level of access. Regardless of where the virus lockdown is now, and the higher probability (logic tells me so based on border entry number and much tighter volume of pop?) it is Auck that will be in and out of lockdown in the future, we need everybody to have access, given which border it enters is not certain/guaranteed.

You can check that yourself. Bar about 6 for 'christchurch', Any new bookings are restricted to pretty much first week of October through Nov unless you look more specific at areas or for regular cancellations or openings.

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#2772759 6-Sep-2021 11:21

debo: so I checked and Princess Margaret was not showing for me. I just checked today and now it is showing and lots of available slots.

Yeah - weird. I checked earlier on this morning (only just before I posted about Princess Margaret) and there were zero slots. Maybe they take their part of the system offline while they're updating availability - when vaccine deliveries get scheduled.

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#2772761 6-Sep-2021 11:21

debo:

Weird stuff is going on. I book 10 days ago and the first available slot in Christchurch was 20th Sept. Princess Margaret.did not show upon the list. Then on Wednesday the boss got vaccinated there (only booked a few days previous) so I checked and Princess Margaret was not showing for me. I just checked today and now it is showing and lots of available slots.

CDHB appear to also be doing a supply restriction. So the clinics are dynamic based on what has been already allocated 'we're full', vs what stocks comes available and suddenly they have more.

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