2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2777065 12-Sep-2021 16:53

GV27:

Batman: Essential worker flies out of Akl to holiday home

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300404801/covid19-live-auckland-couple-crossed-border-and-flew-to-wanaka-for-holiday-20-new-community-delta-cases-in-auckland

Astonishing. Hopefully there is no diversion, discharge without conviction or name suppression.

These are also just the ones that they are catching. I hope we don't get cases popping up around NZ.

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#2777067 12-Sep-2021 17:01

Fred99:

If that's a half-baked attempt to back away from your comment:

"Pfizer in kids is still risky business, especially with the Pfizer myocarditis issue which is a very real problem in boys."

I'm unconvinced.

You might be unconvinced but there are plenty of experts far smarter than you and me who are yet to be convinced there isn't an issue. This issue simply wouldn't be being discussed globally if the evidence was as clear as you think it is.

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#2777077 12-Sep-2021 17:19

Geektastic:

I'd give them 5 years no parole as an example.

I know it's not a particularly smart way to run a justice system but I'd imagine you'd get 100% support of locking them up at least until Auckland is back down to L2, when inter-regional travel is actually permitted.

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#2777078 12-Sep-2021 17:25

sbiddle:

Fred99:

If that's a half-baked attempt to back away from your comment:

"Pfizer in kids is still risky business, especially with the Pfizer myocarditis issue which is a very real problem in boys."

I'm unconvinced.

You might be unconvinced but there are plenty of experts far smarter than you and me who are yet to be convinced there isn't an issue. This issue simply wouldn't be being discussed globally if the evidence was as clear as you think it is.

You have no idea how "smart" I am or what expertise I have. I've said before I left school at 12 - please leave it at that.

And what you say above - you still don't get why you should put a sock in it.

Nobody is saying here that "there isn't an issue" or dispute that it should be monitored and debated, by experts. But when people read a comment like the one from you highlighted above, and post links to (very dodgy) pre-print papers in this essentially "non scientific" public forum, then it's a problem.

You've posted something before that I identified as scientifically incorrect and somewhat "risky" as you'd given very clearly wrong information to an antivax nutter who was posting here, and I PM'd you suggesting that you remove or edit your comment - rather than flame you on the forum. But nope. Not a squeak. You did nothing. Not even acknowledge the PM I sent you.

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#2777081 12-Sep-2021 17:30

sbiddle:

Fred99:

If that's a half-baked attempt to back away from your comment:

"Pfizer in kids is still risky business, especially with the Pfizer myocarditis issue which is a very real problem in boys."

I'm unconvinced.

You might be unconvinced but there are plenty of experts far smarter than you and me who are yet to be convinced there isn't an issue. This issue simply wouldn't be being discussed globally if the evidence was as clear as you think it is.

So if you had a teenage son who wants to get vaccinated would it be Yes or No?

Simple question. One word reply.

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#2777084 12-Sep-2021 17:35

cshwone:

So if you had a teenage son who wants to get vaccinated would it be Yes or No?

Simple question. One word reply.

Yes

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#2777086 12-Sep-2021 17:38

sbiddle:

cshwone:

So if you had a teenage son who wants to get vaccinated would it be Yes or No?

Simple question. One word reply.

Yes

Good. You acknowledge that the large benefits outweigh the small risks.

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#2777093 12-Sep-2021 17:42

cshwone:

So if you had a teenage son who wants to get vaccinated would it be Yes or No?

And now for the multi word reply. There is risk involved - I'm not the person saying there is risk involved, statistics are showing that. Experts are saying that.

There are countries not currently vaccinating teenagers because of concerns about the risk, the one area of concern for the CDC when it comes to mRNA approval for 5-11yr olds has been to establish whether the risks in the 5-11yr age bracket are similar, and whether there is any difference in the risk profile for males vs females like lots of data is showing for teenagers.

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#2777094 12-Sep-2021 17:43

Fred99:

sbiddle:

cshwone:

So if you had a teenage son who wants to get vaccinated would it be Yes or No?

Simple question. One word reply.

Yes

Good. You acknowledge that the large benefits outweigh the small risks.

I've never said they don't.

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#2777095 12-Sep-2021 17:43

DS248:

Quick update on chart comparing the decay of cases (Delta under L4) vs previous outbreaks here and in AU (QLD = Delta, NZ Aug20 and Vic Jun20, pre-Delta under ~L3)

Early days but current downward trend appears be occurring at almost exactly the same exponential decay rate as those earlier outbreaks.

If we continue to follow this trend, there will still be 5 cases/day on average. And 2 weeks beyond that, still 2/day on average.

At least a further two weeks before Auckland out of L4, with at least a further two in L3?

(all assuming it does not flare up again per NSW Jun21 & Vic Aug21).

Note: Again, left my original centre red line there for now but will probably remove it in future. Added blue line with same slope as the others 'eye-balled' to fit the current downward trend.

Nice and agree but forget AUS they play a different game. As do the plebs, who more often comply here

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#2777097 12-Sep-2021 17:46

mattwnz:

Wouldn't it have been picking up cases in MIQ anyway. IMO this as always a flaw. They reckon it leaked from MIQ about 5 days before it was picked up.

One of the problems seems to be that contact tracing is too slow, not that these unknown cases aren't linked to existing the clusters. We have to remember that some people have bad memories. There will be flouters etc too. It is the main reason we couldn't trust people to self isolate at home, and required returning travelers to go into MIQ, as too many didn't and contributed to the first outbreak.

MIQ is not a flaw.

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#2777098 12-Sep-2021 17:47

mattwnz:

That is what one of the experts said in the media based on the timeline of the first case and the other cases that then got detected, and then the genome being traced back to a case who returned from Oz who was in MIQ. Look it up. It couldn't have been much longer because then there would have been cases in hospital earlier.

What is your beef with MIQ?

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#2777101 12-Sep-2021 17:56

Fred99:

I suggest you stop wasting your time.

You also don't know anything about me - so keep your opinions to yourself about my "expertise" or lack of it. I am very careful to not misrepresent myself as an authority.

You regularly trigger my BS detector in this forum with your political bias, whether you deliberately or ignorantly posted your antivax comments doesn't matter. That simple fact that you did does.

It was a very dumb assertion, stating something as fact when the paper is full of obvious flaws - some of which had been covered already in the comments, but you failed to even acknowledge any of that.

It's serious bullsh*t to be spreading here. Disappointing in the least.

Agree. There are many things in this journey that are known. Many also unknown. Many if not all are known later, hindsight. Pfizer was obviously the best drug, maybe now its not. Maybe it is with a 3rd dose? In any case what irks me here is using hindsight to justify today. Now if we had gone boots and all with a few drugs, and now we find that 66% of us were sold short, then what?

When you go to the TAB and have a dollar each way, you cannot re use it.

I feel we have done very well. Im not sure what any other non GZ casual readers would think with some posts here. But whether you like it or not, we have done very well Steve.

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#2777102 12-Sep-2021 17:57

GV27:
Geektastic:

I'd give them 5 years no parole as an example.

I know it's not a particularly smart way to run a justice system but I'd imagine you'd get 100% support of locking them up at least until Auckland is back down to L2, when inter-regional travel is actually permitted.

My idea of justice is somewhat medieval I'm afraid!

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#2777103 12-Sep-2021 18:00

cshwone:

You are really coming across badly here. Yes there are adverse effects to any vaccine but given the number that have been administered in our tiny corner of the globe those numbers are really quite insignificant against the overall population size never mind the world at large. As Fred99 said in his quote from the CDC the risks of not being vaccinated far outweigh the risks of being vaccinated.

All you are really doing is spreading fear wrapped up in a pseudo scientific manner.

Its as though Steve is advocating non vaccination??? Now, I know thats not the case, but where do health outcomes come into this?? As we all should know by now, despite 119 other countries opposing it, health works, and so follows the economy.

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