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#2785371 28-Sep-2021 06:53

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-unwelcome-nurses-leaving-nz-over-immigration-rules/QELJZ26R3UB7363TYGJRCQBPYY/

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#2785374 28-Sep-2021 06:57

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300415946/us-zoos-covidinfected-lions-and-tigers-wont-eat-their-meat-so-zookeepers-are-trying-goat-cheese-and-chicken-broth

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#2785377 28-Sep-2021 07:18

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wellygary:

About 50 more Covid cases expected among ‘very close contacts’

Yeah well...officials also predicted 'up to' 120 total cases for this outbreak about 5 weeks ago. Way out on that one https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-up-to-120-cases-expected-7-already-confirmed-nzs-outbreak-can-be-traced-back-to-nsw/XVC6J2XZVGGK3BQ5YBC47R64H4/

It seems we weren't as fast and early to lockdown as we thought we were, when you compare use to Queensland who have managed to eliminate Delta after their outbreak.

IMO it largely comes down to testing, and Aucklands testing numbers are poor and dropping, when you factor in that some of these tests are also likely MIQ returnees, and retests for close contacts etc. It was reported that only 24% of people in the suburb that was asked to be tested by the PM, bothered to get tested which is very poor. Only now do they seem to be going door to door testing. But there hasn't really been any recent major calls to the public to get out and get tested especially in problem areas, especially when that is what could be preventing a level change..

1. From what I recall this lockdown happened really quick. Enough to get bagged overseas as just one case.

2. Every presser its test test test. The pandemic is 1.5 years old, everyone knows the deal

While most of AKL has done well, played by the rules, many have not. The tail is the difficulties with the last cases where some arent that compliant, thats normal, but the intermixing, especially with neighbours is a downright disregard. Frequency of that is a problem, exacerbated by larger families. It may be a very long tail. Its quite clear that the level of compliance by some, will give us cases today, that no doubt infected others on the last few days, thats next weeks cases.

The numbers out there are pretty low, but so is compliance. If we got 0 cases for three days in a row, we have to assume that its still out there. But the level will be dropped anyway. That can generate another wave.

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#2785379 28-Sep-2021 07:24

It's pretty clear that any suggestion of the "team of 5 million" is about as far from reality as you could get now. There is no team of 5 million any longer... There may not even be a team of 3 million now.NZ is divided more than ever on Covid now, and those lines are being split down political lines as well with the massive increase in inequality that's been occurring in the last 3-4 years as Covid has simply added petrol onto the fire.

It doesn't matter if you sit there still thinking NZ is following it's "elimination strategy" because IMHO that's largely becoming irrelevant now as we are very clearly moving towards a point where we accept that Covid is just a part of life.

I was in Napier late last week for a few days and really just couldn't believe the difference in attitudes compared to Wellington. I've had quite a few trips around the country in the past few weeks since we've moved out of L3 and it's safe to say in those areas that have never had Covid that the people are quite frankly sick of this sh*t.

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#2785384 28-Sep-2021 07:38

@sbiddle what part of the " it's safe to say in those areas that have never had Covid that the people are quite frankly sick of this sh*t." are they sick of, Covid-19 or being protected from Covid-19?

It is easy for folks who perceive themselves as "safe" to glibly say we must learn to live with Covid-19 and the rest of humanity can sod off coz I'm Ok attitudes. The fact is those folk are not safe and could well not live with Covid-19.

It does not help when moron ex prime ministers decide they want to be relevant again and spout a pile of BS in the media before crawling back under a rock.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2785385 28-Sep-2021 07:39

Yes I agree, the team of 5 million don't seem that bothered anymore. Although take Wellington. They got cases from Auckland, and they done and dusted it. Id say many still see the elimination strategy as the option right now, and we have proven that it works, but too many are not complying, so the measures that are in place don't work now. The pity is, many upon many do comply, but thats not enough to stop the long and getting longer tail. Our lockdowns have been relatively harsh but thats not the answer if too many override it

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#2785386 28-Sep-2021 07:43

MikeB4:

@sbiddle what part of the " it's safe to say in those areas that have never had Covid that the people are quite frankly sick of this sh*t." are they sick of, Covid-19 or being protected from Covid-19?

It is easy for folks who perceive themselves as "safe" to glibly say we must learn to live with Covid-19 and the rest of humanity can sod off coz I'm Ok attitudes. The fact is those folk are not safe and could well not live with Covid-19.

It does not help when moron ex prime ministers decide they want to be relevant again and spout a pile of BS in the media before crawling back under a rock.

Id wager that if a "non Covid" town in NZ got a couple of cases, they would comply and deal with it well. But I can see what Steve's point is. IMO the lack of compliance by some has ruined the compliance of the majority, and if thats the case, elimination is over.

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#2785388 28-Sep-2021 07:45

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It does not help when moron ex prime ministers decide they want to be relevant again and spout a pile of BS in the media before crawling back under a rock.

What was BS about his ideas?

You can think what you want of Key but the simply fact is 99% of what he said was correct - and that's based off the simple fact that you had Hipkins on Sunday and the PM yesterday acknowledge that most of his ideas were already being looked at or being implemented.

Using that logic if what key said is BS then what the govt are looking to do is also BS?

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#2785391 28-Sep-2021 07:50

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Yes I agree, the team of 5 million don't seem that bothered anymore. Although take Wellington. They got cases from Auckland, and they done and dusted it. Id say many still see the elimination strategy as the option right now, and we have proven that it works, but too many are not complying, so the measures that are in place don't work now. The pity is, many upon many do comply, but thats not enough to stop the long and getting longer tail. Our lockdowns have been relatively harsh but thats not the answer if too many override it

We have to accept we may never go back to zero cases. We've already been warned of that.

It would be great if we could bring our case numbers back to zero so we can have another couple of months or normality before we open the borders, but right now we have to accept that we could well face L2 (or potentially even a new L 1.5) restrictions for the next few months until that happens.

Having up to 50% of new cases in Auckland each day with exposure events in the community every day is not ideal to hit zero - it makes contact tracing and isolation of contacts relatively easy, and it may well be the case that in a few weeks nothing really changes.

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#2785392 28-Sep-2021 07:52

sbiddle:

MikeB4:

It does not help when moron ex prime ministers decide they want to be relevant again and spout a pile of BS in the media before crawling back under a rock.

What was BS about his ideas?

You can think what you want of Key but the simply fact is 99% of what he said was correct - and that's based off the simple fact that you had Hipkins on Sunday and the PM yesterday acknowledge that most of his ideas were already being looked at or being implemented.

Using that logic if what key said is BS then what the govt are looking to do is also BS?

Mike didn't say "ideas" he said spouted BS. Hermit kingdom comes to mind, which given deaths here and overseas, the period of freedoms we have had, and have, and the economy, its hardly a hermit kingdom. Its a temporary state of affairs to stop deaths so we can be better prepared for the endemic period. Thats not a hermit kingdom

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#2785393 28-Sep-2021 07:53

I have stated my feelings and I am not going to enter a political debate here.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2785395 28-Sep-2021 07:58

sbiddle:

Having up to 50% of new cases in Auckland each day with exposure events in the community every day is not ideal to hit zero - it makes contact tracing and isolation of contacts relatively easy, and it may well be the case that in a few weeks nothing really changes.

That's how I see it. Todays cases have already seeded next weeks and so on. Back in the day, more of todays cases were complying, so that tail gets skinnier and skinnier, but that doesnt seem to be the case now. Matts comment that early on it was stated we may get 120 cases was correct, and that was reasonable. One case, a few contacts that need to be ring fenced etc. The church meeting wasn't helpful, but compliance wasnt up to it this time round

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#2785426 28-Sep-2021 08:43

If "compliance" is somewhat lax in Napier, from what I have seen / experienced, its all but non existent in Christchurch. Admittedly, I don't operate in a wide circle, but the overarching sentiment from people I do talk to is that they are over it, the L2 restrictions (and I use that term pretty lightly) are given lip service by many. Would that change if we had an outbreak / community transmission in Chch, probably yes, the Govt has been good at pushing a fear into the community, but like the boy who cried wolf, you can only hear doom and gloom so many times before the message simply doesn't wash anymore.

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#2785434 28-Sep-2021 08:50

sen8or:

If "compliance" is somewhat lax in Napier, from what I have seen / experienced, its all but non existent in Christchurch. Admittedly, I don't operate in a wide circle, but the overarching sentiment from people I do talk to is that they are over it, the L2 restrictions (and I use that term pretty lightly) are given lip service by many. Would that change if we had an outbreak / community transmission in Chch, probably yes, the Govt has been good at pushing a fear into the community, but like the boy who cried wolf, you can only hear doom and gloom so many times before the message simply doesn't wash anymore.

But you also need to factor in, that it hasn't been here for 330 days, and we are at level 2 and that will remain so for some time, until AKL has 0-4 cases each day

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#2785437 28-Sep-2021 08:57

tdgeek:

But you also need to factor in, that it hasn't been here for 330 days, and we are at level 2 and that will remain so for some time, until AKL has 0-4 cases each day

This isn't quite true though, weren't there some near-misses with MIQ workers getting infected around the time of the fishing crew arrivals?

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