2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2786726 30-Sep-2021 01:41

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Aren't a lot of people allowed to recover and isolate at home? I recall the cases in Wellington were. Maybe it is something to do with other cases in the home, where if there are a lot of people living in a household, it is more than likely others will be infected too, or they could be infected if the person remains in the house. If people knew more details and there was more transparency about what happens if someone tests positive, there maybe a lot less anxiety about it.

The process is completely transparent. It requires a 5 second google search to learn about it.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/receiving-positive-covid-19-test-result

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#2786727 30-Sep-2021 02:42

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The process is completely transparent. It requires a 5 second google search to learn about it.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/receiving-positive-covid-19-test-result

The language here is interesting.

"After your case interview, you will be asked to move into one of our quarantine facilities as quickly as possible, unless suitable other arrangements are approved by the Medical Officer of Health."

Can they compel anyone who tests positive to relocate to a quarantine facility, or does it require consent? If it doesn't need consent - that's pretty extreme, and I'd understand why people would therefore be avoiding getting tested.

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#2786728 30-Sep-2021 02:45

ajobbins:

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The process is completely transparent. It requires a 5 second google search to learn about it.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/receiving-positive-covid-19-test-result

The language here is interesting.

"After your case interview, you will be asked to move into one of our quarantine facilities as quickly as possible, unless suitable other arrangements are approved by the Medical Officer of Health."

Can they compel anyone who tests positive to relocate to a quarantine facility, or does it require consent? If it doesn't need consent - that's pretty extreme, and I'd understand why people would therefore be avoiding getting tested.

Yes they can quarantine you without consent.

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#2786729 30-Sep-2021 02:51

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Yes they can quarantine you without consent.

Wow. I can absolutely see why people would avoid being tested. Honestly, I think that is a counter-intuitive move by the government, especially considering the demographics most impacted by forcing people into external quarantine facilities.

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#2786731 30-Sep-2021 05:50

ajobbins:
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Yes they can quarantine you without consent.

Wow. I can absolutely see why people would avoid being tested. Honestly, I think that is a counter-intuitive move by the government, especially considering the demographics most impacted by forcing people into external quarantine facilities.

How else do you expect elimination to work? Voluntary home quarantine definitely wouldn’t work.

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#2786732 30-Sep-2021 06:39

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How else do you expect elimination to work? Voluntary home quarantine definitely wouldn’t work.

That doesn't really matter, though, in the scheme of things. People who are living paycheque to paycheque are going to do what they can to avoid being chucked in an MIQ facility for two weeks.

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#2786738 30-Sep-2021 07:14

GV27:
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How else do you expect elimination to work? Voluntary home quarantine definitely wouldn’t work.

That doesn't really matter, though, in the scheme of things. People who are living paycheque to paycheque are going to do what they can to avoid being chucked in an MIQ facility for two weeks.

Sure. Despite some of the fairly simplistic and glib responses on here there’s nothing here that is good or easy just a variety of hard and bad choices.

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#2786748 30-Sep-2021 07:46

we have a "smaller" number of cases today https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-alert-level-shift-rocked-by-covid-case-spike/UDE4DTYCK7WAV67GRSPS77O46I/

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#2786751 30-Sep-2021 07:52

GV27:

That doesn't really matter, though, in the scheme of things. People who are living paycheque to paycheque are going to do what they can to avoid being chucked in an MIQ facility for two weeks.

I'm surprised the media haven't latched onto this as an issue. Add to your list people with high functioning addictions, those with animal situations where it's not just a case of putting the pup in the kennel, etc. Basically anyone who does something specialised that you can't just ask a friend or family to take over. I'm sure I could make a much longer list if I had a think about it for 10 minutes.

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#2786753 30-Sep-2021 08:01

Batman:

we have a "smaller" number of cases today https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-alert-level-shift-rocked-by-covid-case-spike/UDE4DTYCK7WAV67GRSPS77O46I/

Oh, so it's between 0 and 44, we just now have to wait until 1pm to find out.

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#2786756 30-Sep-2021 08:10

Batman:

i don't think we're "blaming" gangs. it's factually correct, it's happened, it's an observation that is true. we've been observing this during L4 but nobody did anythnig. day after day we see gang members testing positive.

stuff happens, this is the way the cookie crumbles with delta.

Household and neighbours are the problem, gangs are a later thing.

Its not how the cookie crumbles with Delta, blaming Delta is a cop out. L4 and L3 works for normal people, but the tail is the slackers, Delta or not

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#2786759 30-Sep-2021 08:16

GV27:

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we have a "smaller" number of cases today https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-alert-level-shift-rocked-by-covid-case-spike/UDE4DTYCK7WAV67GRSPS77O46I/

Oh, so it's between 0 and 44, we just now have to wait until 1pm to find out.

And considering the daily numbers are "as at 0900" each day, Hipkins is talking about numbers he saw for less than half the reporting period?

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#2786766 30-Sep-2021 08:32

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Sure. Despite some of the fairly simplistic and glib responses on here there’s nothing here that is good or easy just a variety of hard and bad choices.

Well there's one good choice available - get jabbed and strongly encourage everybody else you know to get jabbed.

Might not be 100% effective, but it's the best and only option we've got now to minimise damage to people's lives and the economy from what's inevitably coming.

After all this, we probably need to have a good think about why so many people seem to be living from paycheck to paycheck and the negative impact that has on society - including the resultant inability to respond to a pandemic (or any natural disaster) effectively.

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#2786786 30-Sep-2021 09:12

Fred99:

After all this, we probably need to have a good think about why so many people seem to be living from paycheck to paycheck and the negative impact that has on society - including the resultant inability to respond to a pandemic (or any natural disaster) effectively.

This is something I've been thinking about recently too. Unfortunately with the way cost of living is relative to income it's not something you can fix easily - most of the people exposed to this risk do not have the capacity to do anything about it. They'd need to either implement a social insurance like ACC that covers loss of wages, or introduce a smaller kiwisaver tier (like 1 or 2%), make it mandatory, and add a clause to Kiwisaver than pandemic counts as hardship for emergency access to funds.

Both will meet resistance, both have bad optics. Social safety net would put more risk on the government and essentially be another part of WINZ, so many wouldn't trust it and opposition parties may chop it at some point to make government smaller. Kiwisaver approach takes longer to become effective as people have to save (alongside employer and government contributions), but may be better in the long run. Right now you get a small tax credit for saving with Kiwisaver, perhaps that should be redirected into Kiwisaver and all government contributions (including the $1000 kickstart and the tax thing) are able to be accessed under hardship.

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#2786796 30-Sep-2021 09:36

Fred99:

After all this, we probably need to have a good think about why so many people seem to be living from paycheck to paycheck and the negative impact that has on society - including the resultant inability to respond to a pandemic (or any natural disaster) effectively.

You think its bad now, wait and see how it will be in the near future when taxes have to increase to cover the $120 billion plus that has been spent fighting COVID. Let alone other factors of inequality like the last years 20% plus annual house value increases and day to day cost of living increases.

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