2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2787950 2-Oct-2021 07:21

heavenlywild:

If other countries are proactive NZ is gonna look pretty dumb still locking down in 2 years time if you don't want any cases and live like a hermit.

In 2 years time? You need to read the news more. Hermit? Oh yeah, you do read the news.

IIRC we are looking at early to mid 2022. An at home trial starts soon. The plan is vaccinated entry etc. Still ducks to line up. 2 years? Sorry, no.

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#2787953 2-Oct-2021 07:41

A promising weapon for the arsenal

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300421287/drugmaker-merck-says-experimental-pill-cuts-covid19-hospitalisations-and-deaths-in-half

If you are vaccinated, your health outcomes improve a great deal. This pill reduces the risk that still remains by about 50%

Not peer reviewed but a promising work in progress

EDIT

The tests were on unvaccinated people, but I'd assume it would be equally beneficial for vaccinated people who became ill. Both ways would reduce hospital care, which is a chief concern.

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#2787956 2-Oct-2021 08:18

heavenlywild: Feel free to stay home forever.

I'm ready to move past the what if what that.

1000 cases, 2000 cases or whatever that figure is a day doesn't matter. It's how many get hospitalised or die. Vaccination keeps you safe.

And yes, the vaccination is adequate. If you think it isn't that's your opinion.

Do you really need to double down on the nonsense selfish posts.

There are many reasons why the vaccination is not adequate. It is just one of the defense arsenal. As for this BS statement "1000 cases, 2000 cases or whatever that figure is a day doesn't matter" it highlights your lack of knowledge on the subject and your complete lack of empathy and is frankly disgusting.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2787960 2-Oct-2021 08:32

heavenlywild: It comes down to personal responsibility.

No responsibility, then risk dying.

Simple.

Less talk, more thought.

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#2787961 2-Oct-2021 08:32

Merck's press release:

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-and-ridgebacks-investigational-oral-antiviral-molnupiravir-reduced-the-risk-of-hospitalization-or-death-by-approximately-50-percent-compared-to-placebo-for-patients-with-mild-or-moderat/

Note that trial participants had at least one co-morbidity.

“With the virus continuing to circulate widely, and because therapeutic options currently available are infused and/or require access to a healthcare facility, antiviral treatments that can be taken at home to keep people with COVID-19 out of the hospital are critically needed,”

Be interesting to see results of post-exposure prophylaxis trials - and also more detail on timing / effectiveness of when it's administered relative to onset of symptoms.

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#2787962 2-Oct-2021 08:38

The self-isolating at home sounds good in theory/on paper, but I can imagine a number of people simply not complying because, well, they don't want to. What happens then? They end up in MIQ anyway, right?

As to the number of cases per day, I'd rather that lower than higher, 0 is a good number as well. 1000-2000 cases a day is all good to you? America awaits.

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#2787968 2-Oct-2021 09:09

Rikkitic:
heavenlywild: It comes down to personal responsibility.

No responsibility, then risk dying.

Simple.

Less talk, more thought.

More open discussion, less personal attacks.

Your opinion is as valid as mine. None of us are Covid experts.

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#2787975 2-Oct-2021 09:52

quickymart: The self-isolating at home sounds good in theory/on paper, but I can imagine a number of people simply not complying because, well, they don't want to. What happens then? They end up in MIQ anyway, right?

For the average person this is difficult with other people in the house. Extend that one further in apartment blocks. Air conditioning systems in apartment blocks were not designed for this. It's better than nothing and still useful mitigation. Are self administered daily tests available?

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#2787983 2-Oct-2021 10:18

tdgeek:
IIRC we are looking at early to mid 2022. An at home trial starts soon. The plan is vaccinated entry etc. Still ducks to line up. 2 years? Sorry, no.

What is the point of a hard boarder if we are getting hundreds, if not thouthands, of local cases in December? We need to look at what happened in NSW and Vic when Delta gets out of control. While there is a slim possibility that we will return to zero cases, we should start planning for the most likely outcome. At home quarantine is likely to be leaky but still insignificant compared to the volumes of local case.

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#2788048 2-Oct-2021 11:38

heavenlywild: Feel free to stay home forever.

I'm ready to move past the what if what that.

1000 cases, 2000 cases or whatever that figure is a day doesn't matter. It's how many get hospitalised or die. Vaccination keeps you safe.

And yes, the vaccination is adequate. If you think it isn't that's your opinion.

Even with 90% vaccination, we're going to see a lot of people in hospital, even if hardly any of them die.

Our hospitals were constantly juggling beds even before COVID - you'd better hope that there is a sudden miraculous drop in the car crashes, strokes, cancer, work accidents, heart attacks, etc. etc. etc. that keep our hospitals groaning at the seams even at the best of times.

For the umpteenth time, it's not just about people dying from COVID. It's about rest of us being unable to access critical or urgent healthcare for the regular stuff that has always happened.

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#2788054 2-Oct-2021 11:57

debo:
tdgeek:

IIRC we are looking at early to mid 2022. An at home trial starts soon. The plan is vaccinated entry etc. Still ducks to line up. 2 years? Sorry, no.

What is the point of a hard boarder if we are getting hundreds, if not thouthands, of local cases in December? We need to look at what happened in NSW and Vic when Delta gets out of control. While there is a slim possibility that we will return to zero cases, we should start planning for the most likely outcome. At home quarantine is likely to be leaky but still insignificant compared to the volumes of local case.

If you think we will get hundreds or thousand of cases in December then we may as well give up now. Auckland is well contained, if you look at the 1.7 million that live there. The cases we see are the usual flouters, its not widespread through the city by randoms.

We are planning. Lockdown to contain this outbreak, trials of home isolation, vaccination, buying time. How leaky will home isolation be and of how many cases? Hundreds or thousands? You are just speculating.

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#2788213 2-Oct-2021 12:18

People also have to be realistic and accept that you can't keep Auckland behind a hard border until the vaccine passport - whatever format that looks like - is released.

That could be months, and unless you're going to patrol the Miranda flats with Skyhawks then people will just get fed up and leave. They've realistically got until the weekend before Labour weekend at the absolute latest.

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#2788223 2-Oct-2021 12:49

GV27:
People also have to be realistic and accept that you can't keep Auckland behind a hard border until the vaccine passport - whatever format that looks like - is released.

That could be months, and unless you're going to patrol the Miranda flats with Skyhawks then people will just get fed up and leave. They've realistically got until the weekend before Labour weekend at the absolute latest.

Exactly. How many people are dying now because they can't get medical treatment? A spike in young adolescents committing suicide. So many unintended consequences.

My point is there are always competing priorities. There's currently no balance to how the govt sees things.

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#2788224 2-Oct-2021 12:50

today' Auckland headlines reminded me an old saying: "Who's destiny is to be hanged, will not die from the flu". Pretty sure we'll hear more and soon about what destiny being prepared for that congregation...

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#2788227 2-Oct-2021 13:03

I don't think there was a spike in suicides from our previous lockdowns, but the reality is that Aucklanders being expected to live with both a hard border AND alert level settings that will make transmission even easier (and prolong the requirements for hard borders) is really hard to cope with if it means you can't see family etc. This is what I find most people outside Auckland don't really get - we've had far more of this than anyone else has and we don't have a way out of it.

Buy-in will just disintegrate, faster than it is already. Gang members and Brian Tamaki doing what they want under lockdown has been a persistent issue, but so has boomers in well-off parts of Auckland getting together for driveway drinks and other such nonsense. Ponsonby Road apparently packed today with non-masking and people sitting down to have coffees outside cafes.

In the end the people who are doing their best to live with lockdown rules with no end in sight will just start giving up.

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