2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2789060 4-Oct-2021 12:58

GV27:

Define 'fighting for'.

Because at the moment one part of the country is doing all the work at enormous social and financial cost, and it's not like all the other areas are on top of their game when it comes to vaccination rates either.

We will join you. I now feel the understated cases, lack of compliance and lack of testing will be mirrored everywhere in NZ. Cases are already leaking from AKL, and you get free travel in Level 2. It will be a national issue soon enough. Not being negative, just realistic

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#2789064 4-Oct-2021 13:03

GV27:
Buster:

Geographically large areas of NZ still have zero cases (we think). That's worth fighting for.

Define 'fighting for'.

Because at the moment one part of the country is doing all the work at enormous social and financial cost, and it's not like all the other areas are on top of their game when it comes to vaccination rates either.

The majority of one part of the country has to do precisely one thing - stay home. Not exactly a "fight" to achieve this.

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#2789067 4-Oct-2021 13:08

Ge0rge:

The majority of one part of the country has to do precisely one thing - stay home. Not exactly a "fight" to achieve this.

It's a great thing that lockdowns have no consequences for people's mental health or financial circumstances or else this might come across as really flippant and out of touch.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes it so hard for people to deal with on-going lockdowns. Just because they haven't been hard for you doesn't mean they aren't an enormous struggle for many other people.

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#2789068 4-Oct-2021 13:09

Press release:

More than 2 million people have now received two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, marking a significant milestone for the largest vaccination programme in Aotearoa New Zealand’s history, Minister for COVID-19 Response Chris Hipkins says.

“As of this morning, 2,018,305 people were fully vaccinated with two doses, representing 48 percent of people aged 12 and over,” Chris Hipkins said.

“And more broadly, 3,328,286 people have had at least one dose – that’s 79 percent of people aged 12 and over.

“I want to thank everyone who’s stepped forward. Each and every person vaccinated increases our protection and reduces the need for lockdown measures – so it’s a huge thanks from me to everyone for playing their part.

“This achievement is also testament to the great effort of New Zealand’s health workers who’ve been working long and hard to deliver the largest vaccination programme in our history.

“These workers have stepped up across the country – and particularly at our testing centres and vaccination clinics in Auckland – and they’re continuing to deliver numbers we can all be proud of.

“With 5,346,591 doses administered so far, and 1,067,000 active bookings in the Book My Vaccine system, the response of New Zealanders means we’re on track to our goal of having all eligible people vaccinated by the end of the year.

“In Auckland to date, a total of 1,950,883 vaccinations have been delivered – with more than 1.2 million first doses and almost 750,000 second doses.

“The vaccination programme continues to adapt with new and different approaches, such as drive through vaccination centres and more mobile and pop-up testing sites, and a lot more innovations are to come.

“The best ongoing defence against the impact of COVID-19 will be for as many New Zealanders as possible to get vaccinated - the more people who’re vaccinated the harder it becomes for the virus to keep moving.

“Make your appointments now - every dose counts.”

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#2789070 4-Oct-2021 13:21

Will the easing of lockdown restrictions and the ability for people to travel outside Auckland actually have a positive effect on vaccination rates and other compliance issues outside Auckland?

Right now, there are no known cases in the South Island and much like the initial vaccine roll out where "other people need it more than us", if there was inter-island travel en-mass could this push the vaccine hesitant to get off their backsides?

I understand that now, pretty much anyone that wants to get vaxxed can, but there still has to be a driver. Right now, the odds of running into someone on the street in the South Island who is infected is right up there with powerball, once travel starts, the odds come down and the reasoning / urgency for being vaxxed is strengthened.

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#2789072 4-Oct-2021 13:26

GV27:

It's a great thing that lockdowns have no consequences for people's mental health or financial circumstances or else this might come across as really flippant and out of touch.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes it so hard for people to deal with on-going lockdowns. Just because they haven't been hard for you doesn't mean they aren't an enormous struggle for many other people.

I'm not sure how you missed it. Even as recently as yesterday it was stated that lockdowns are nearing an end. Level 4 Auckland lockdown completely ruled out.

Stated that Hamilton would not be in Level 3 if vaccination rates were higher. So far as I am aware at no stage has NZ run out of vaccine and had to halt the program. Lots of appointment spots available. Casual walk ins.

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#2789074 4-Oct-2021 13:29

GV27:
This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes it so hard for people to deal with on-going lockdowns. Just because they haven't been hard for you doesn't mean they aren't an enormous struggle for many other people.

Oh yeah, nothing hard on me at all when it comes to lockdowns:
- Haven't seen my SO for nearly a month, and when she does come home in several weeks time, it will only be for a short period before she heads away again for another six weeks.
- Received death threats by virtue of the clothing I wear to work.
- SO verbally abused and threatened while at work.
- Threats made against my colleagues and their family.

These are just some of the things I've dealt with in the last week while dealing with the mostly scum who can't follow rules as we try to keep the country safe from endemic covid for as long as possible.

So yeah, forgive me if I'm a little flippant towards those who think the rules don't apply to them.

All that needed to happen for this outbreak to be controlled was for people to follow the rules, stay at home and don't be a dick. Apparently this was too much to ask.

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#2789077 4-Oct-2021 13:31

Buster:

I'm not sure how you missed it. Even as recently as yesterday it was stated that lockdowns are nearing an end. Level 4 Auckland lockdown completely ruled out.

Stated that Hamilton would not be in Level 3 if vaccination rates were higher. So far as I am aware at no stage has NZ run out of vaccine and had to halt the program. Lots of appointment spots available. Casual walk ins.

Literally nothing here changes the point I made, or even really responds to it.

People who think lockdowns are a case of "just stay home, how hard can it be" are almost as harmful to the response as anti-vaxers or Covid deniers.

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#2789079 4-Oct-2021 13:35

The government needs to get out and seriously start incentivising vaccination for +12s ....

Its already going to do it for heath workers + aged care, so it really needs to start on the rest

Require it for, Pubs, Clubs, Concerts, Movies, or pretty much any social location where you have more than 50 people,

I think Teachers should need to have it, plus look at it for domestic aviation,

The path of hoping to "getting to 90" simply won't work... and anyway "getting to 90" isn't good enough for the govt... its not going to majorly relax restrictions until 90% of minority groups get it...

We have 12 weeks to Christmas, lets get on with it....

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#2789085 4-Oct-2021 13:39

From the Spinoff

Speaking yesterday at an unscheduled press conference, the prime minister didn’t rule out a move to level two for Auckland this week despite two new infections detected south of the city. With swathes of Waikato now in level three lockdown, Jacinda Ardern said the delta outbreak that started in August has now “essentially ended” and the country faces a second outbreak centred around five active sub-clusters.

I'm not sure I get the logic. That's not how I recall things were presented during previous lockdowns.

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#2789089 4-Oct-2021 13:49

How can they say the outbreak has essentially ended and it is now a second outbreak. It's part of the same outbreak as they are come from the same initial outbreak and they never eliminated it. Sounds like the kiwibuild reset logic.

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#2789091 4-Oct-2021 13:55

mattwnz: How can they say the outbreak has essentially ended and it is now a second outbreak. It's part of the same outbreak as they are come from the same initial outbreak and they never eliminated it. Sounds like the kiwibuild reset logic.

I guess she is trying to say we have stopped the exponential growth ( and future growth) in cases from the week of cases spreading before the L4 lockdown,

now we have a long rumbling outbreak that will bounce between 10 and 40 while we remain in Level 3.....

But it is ow clear there is not enough suppression under L3 to drive this back to 0 cases.... so we're promised that today will talk about "transition" ... hopefully we get told what we are transitioning to.. because otherwise it sounds awfully like "living with the virus"

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#2789092 4-Oct-2021 13:56

Technofreak:

From the Spinoff

Speaking yesterday at an unscheduled press conference, the prime minister didn’t rule out a move to level two for Auckland this week despite two new infections detected south of the city. With swathes of Waikato now in level three lockdown, Jacinda Ardern said the delta outbreak that started in August has now “essentially ended” and the country faces a second outbreak centred around five active sub-clusters.

I'm not sure I get the logic. That's not how I recall things were presented during previous lockdowns.

Level 4 worked pretty well for the first two and a half weeks (among the initial clusters and the Church too maybe) but then case numbers stubbornly kept appearing (they are hinting gang community - five active sub-clusters?). Gave it two and a half more weeks but no improvement. Move on. Level 3. The obvious difference between this and previous lockdowns is vaccination.

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#2789094 4-Oct-2021 13:58

wellygary:

Require it for ... Movies, or pretty much any social location where you have more than 50 people,

It's a long time since I've been in a movie with 49 other people, but I agree.

I think Teachers should need to have it, plus look at it for domestic aviation,

AirNZ is making it a condition. I guess the unvaccinated can fly JetStar (for the time being).

I agree wrt teachers, and also clergy, and auctioneers, and cabin crew, and anyone else facing a largish group of people. But that would just be common sense.

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#2789095 4-Oct-2021 14:03

sen8or:

Will the easing of lockdown restrictions and the ability for people to travel outside Auckland actually have a positive effect on vaccination rates and other compliance issues outside Auckland?

Maybe, but by then it'll be too late. (If they haven't been vaxxed + 2 weeks have passed since either dose, getting a vax after travel opens up will be too late)

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