2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2790412 6-Oct-2021 09:53

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Technofreak:

I see a premium article headline in the Herald just now. Our officials kept Pfizer waiting 6 weeks before they had a meeting with Pfizer.

For this to matter we need to know a couple of things:

1) How long does it usually take to go through a process for approving a negotiating team;

2) If this was the same as usual, why wasn't it expedited in light of the pandemic?

3) If this was longer than usual, why?

Seems the thing that makes 2) and 3) worth getting out of your tree about is 1), which we don't have enough context to judge.

It may well be the time it took to assemble a team and if so your questions 2 & 3 become relevant. However we already had a very experienced team of people for acquiring medications, Pharmac. They weren't used. Why? Inter governmental department rivalry/power games? Who knows?

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#2790413 6-Oct-2021 09:58

Technofreak:
I see a premium article headline in the Herald just now. Our officials kept Pfizer waiting 6 weeks before they had a meeting with Pfizer.

At that time what was the progress of the Pfizer approval in NZ. Wasn't that one of the conditions for Pfizer to even do the deal?

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#2790419 6-Oct-2021 10:12

Buster:

You can print a hard copy if you don't have a phone.

I can see a business opportunity for someone that can print the certs on a piece of plastic about the size of a credit card. I'd pay a couple of bucks for that. Maybe pharmacies could offer that service?

In the mean time I'll probably print mine and laminate it; I have some nice business card sized laminate pouches with nice rounded corners that I can use.

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#2790422 6-Oct-2021 10:28

Handsomedan:

I've often wondered at the efficacy of the exhausted/ventilated masks.

Also - I assume they are one and done - i.e. non-reusable?

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/covid-19-use-masks-and-face-coverings-community#types

Vented ones usually fall into the 'dust mask'. FOund at hardware stores and so on, for you to not breath in aerosol droplets from spray cans of solvent and so on. While freely venting out. Often have the front faced rubber flap that just opens right on up.

So have been discouraged for a while. But you still see blokes wearing them at the supermarket.

China sourced ones with the wee valve also seem popular. But need to be filtered, most are labelled as it. But aren't. OK for 'in', pretty hopeless for out

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#2790427 6-Oct-2021 10:47

So this was perhaps not unexpected:

A person has tested positive for Covid-19 in Kawhia - which is currently the country's least vaccinated area and is outside the Waikato level 3 boundary.

Ōtorohanga district Mayor Max Baxter confirmed he had been informed of the positive case this morning.

The Herald understands the Kawhia case is a close contact of the Hamilton East case.

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#2790429 6-Oct-2021 10:49

TeaLeaf:
mattwnz: Most should, but IMO it would be a PITA to find it in a folder on a device each time you want to access it. Printing it out and laminating it and sticking it in the back of a phone or in a wallet would be easier for some. Or saving it, so it can be accessed in the covid scanning app also could be an idea.
I agree. Would be an absurdity to expect people who may not even have a smartphone to access a digital version on the fly.

I don't understand the need for the cert to be on a phone, or even a new document.

In the Cook Islands, where phones are rare, they give each person a card with a QR code on it. Venues like bars and restaurants have both a scanner (a repurposed phone) to read people's QR codes, and a QR code for people with phones to scan.

It does seem to me that the cert needs to be tied to a photo of the person, so that people can't share certs. An obvious thing to do would be to tie it to a person's existing photo ID (i.e. drivers license or passport or 18+ ID or whatever). Something with a barcode or QR code or magstripe or whatever machine-readable on it. Scanner scans the barcode, looks up whether the database to see if the ID is registered as vaccinated, security guard checks the photo against the person presenting. Job's done.

If it was reliable and fast, face recognition could do the whole thing. But it would have to be 100% better than what they have at airports.

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#2790430 6-Oct-2021 10:50

GV27:

So this was perhaps not unexpected:

A person has tested positive for Covid-19 in Kawhia - which is currently the country's least vaccinated area and is outside the Waikato level 3 boundary.

Ōtorohanga district Mayor Max Baxter confirmed he had been informed of the positive case this morning.

The Herald understands the Kawhia case is a close contact of the Hamilton East case.

Yep, it will continue to make its way around NZ

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#2790431 6-Oct-2021 10:51

MurrayM:

Buster:

You can print a hard copy if you don't have a phone.

I can see a business opportunity for someone that can print the certs on a piece of plastic about the size of a credit card. I'd pay a couple of bucks for that. Maybe pharmacies could offer that service?

In the mean time I'll probably print mine and laminate it; I have some nice business card sized laminate pouches with nice rounded corners that I can use.

We have already laminated our vaccine card given at time of jab/s as we already had the correct size laminate pouches.

But, yes, they are going to have to come up with something a bit more long term durable, like a credit card/drivers license format.

The devil is going to be in what is actually printed on it and how fraud proof are they going to be. I can hear the privacy mutts already.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2790432 6-Oct-2021 10:53

tdgeek:

Problem with carrots is you penalise the good people who got jabbed and benefit the slackers.

Yeah, na. Remember that we all benefit every time someone gets vaccinated. I personally couldn't care less if slackers get a set of steak knives or go into a draw for a holiday in Queenstown.

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#2790433 6-Oct-2021 10:54

tdgeek:

Problem with carrots is you penalise the good people who got jabbed and benefit the slackers.

Yeah, na. Remember that we all benefit every time someone gets vaccinated. I personally couldn't care less if slackers get a set of steak knives or go into a draw for a holiday in Queenstown.

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#2790434 6-Oct-2021 10:58

GV27:

So this was perhaps not unexpected:

The Herald understands the Kawhia case is a close contact of the Hamilton East case.

The lady reporter you always hear angling for the 'you're leaving regions out and should be doing even more!' even after the busses and drop-in options provided is going to have a field day.

Despite the Mayors understanding of peoples nature

Baxter said he understood the apprehension about having the vaccine but once they had a member of their whānau affected, they would change their tune.

"Trust me if one of their whānau or friends got seriously ill or died as a consequence I'm sure their views would be entirely different.

"It's not vaccines that takes people's liberties away, it's Delta that takes people's liberties away, it's Covid itself, in essence."

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#2790435 6-Oct-2021 11:04

sbiddle:

In the past month I've still had quite a bit of travel around the country, and one thing that's very clear is that mask use in Wellington is soooo much higher than in other places I've been to. In the Wellington CBD you'll see probably 80% of people wearing masks in the street, and compliance in stories and places like cafes and bars is pretty good overall.

I was in Tauranga on the weekend and it was a totally different story. I won't name places (because they're really no different to other places I've been to in other towns such as Rotorua and Napier as two examples from the week prior), but walking into a bar where there was no table service at all (everybody ordered at the bar) and where mask use outdoors and indoors was pretty much voluntary is certainly a bit of a wakeup call, and a start reminder that many people really don't grasp the fact we didn't beat Covid and win.

The next couple of months in particular is going to be incredibly tough for NZers. We mocked the rest of the world for so long, and now karma is giving us a gentle nudge.

What is it like in the suburbs of Wellington? I think you will find that CBDs tend to have higher use as larger offices have tighter rules around masks so people tend to do similar when outside.

Don't know if others agree but I think they need to get different people talking about mask use, not the usual people. I don't know why they don't get sporting stars behind it. TJ Perenara seems to have opinion about most things, get him to support mask use and/or vaccines.

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#2790459 6-Oct-2021 12:03

The Covid-19 social network is now up and running after a short outage.

Kāwhia Community Board chair Dave Walsh has confirmed a Covid-19 positive case in the coastal King Country settlement.

Kāwhia, south of Raglan, is not part of the alert level 3 lockdown which covers Raglan and Hamilton.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/452983/live-covid-19-updates-on-auckland-s-first-day-of-loosened-level-3-restrictions

Our numbers are still not large, its really down to peoples collective will at this point.
Choices are there to walk in and get vaccinated, and limit social contacts.

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#2790460 6-Oct-2021 12:05

From Stuff: Waikato hospital staff stood down as patient tests positive for Covid-19

Some staff at the Waikato Hospital have been sent home and told to get tested after a patient tested positive for Covid-19. Stuff understands a person who visited the Waiora Waikato Hospital Emergency Department on Friday night has now tested positive for Covid-19.

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#2790463 6-Oct-2021 12:09

ezbee:

The Covid-19 social network is now up and running after a short outage.

Kāwhia Community Board chair Dave Walsh has confirmed a Covid-19 positive case in the coastal King Country settlement.

Kāwhia, south of Raglan, is not part of the alert level 3 lockdown which covers Raglan and Hamilton.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/452983/live-covid-19-updates-on-auckland-s-first-day-of-loosened-level-3-restrictions

Our numbers are still not large, its really down to peoples collective will at this point.
Choices are there to walk in and get vaccinated, and limit social contacts.

Hasn't worked so well this time round. jab jab jab

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