2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2800263 24-Oct-2021 11:47

Rikkitic:
Batman:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-principal-hopes-like-hell-teachers-will-get-vaccine/6EV7RHWM6HUN26ILWN43XNZ65A/

teachers possibly quitting

What kind of teachers reject 99% of scientific consensus in favour of superstition and old wives' tales? Children are better off without them.

I feel the ones that are quitting and the doctor s doing same were going to exit the profession anyway but decided now to go and get their 15 minutes, or there are mental health issues that are undisclosed.

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#2800270 24-Oct-2021 12:20

MikeB4:
Rikkitic:What kind of teachers reject 99% of scientific consensus in favour of superstition and old wives' tales? Children are better off without them.

I feel the ones that are quitting and the doctor s doing same were going to exit the profession anyway but decided now to go and get their 15 minutes, or there are mental health issues that are undisclosed.

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#2800271 24-Oct-2021 12:28

I see reports of individuals and at least one community say they're holding out for the Novavax vaccine.

I see these comments as just an excuse for not being vaccinated rather than wanting a "better" vaccine than the Pfizer vaccine. Novavax hasn't been approved by MedSafe and I'm not even sure our government has ordered any Novavax. Waiting for something that might not arrive seems a very silly course of action.

A couple of questions.

Is Novavax that much better than Pfizer to justify waiting for?
If/when Novavax is approved and ordered by our government is there any reason why it couldn't be used as a follow up/booster for Pfizer. In other words does having the Pfizer vaccine now stop you from having the Novavax vaccine at a later date?

I'm not an immunologist but my logic says, take what's on offer now and if/when Novavax becomes available use that as a follow up at the appropriate time. Holding off is just stupid. We don't keep holding off for a better car, cell phone, TV or whatever, there's always going to be a better one in the future. We buy what's on offer now to take advantage of the real benefits we can get now rather than wait for yet to be proven possible future benefits.

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#2800272 24-Oct-2021 12:36

The "waiting for Novavax" is an excuse given by antivaxxers.

If/when Novavax is here they will wait for something else.

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#2800274 24-Oct-2021 12:41

Technofreak:

Novavax hasn't been approved by MedSafe and I'm not even sure our government has ordered any Novavax.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-strategy-planning-insights/covid-19-purchasing-vaccines#novavax

10.72 million doses.

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#2800275 24-Oct-2021 12:42

Technofreak:

I see reports of individuals and at least one community say they're holding out for the Novavax vaccine.

I see these comments as just an excuse for not being vaccinated rather than wanting a "better" vaccine than the Pfizer vaccine. Novavax hasn't been approved by MedSafe and I'm not even sure our government has ordered any Novavax. Waiting for something that might not arrive seems a very silly course of action.

A couple of questions.

Is Novavax that much better than Pfizer to justify waiting for?
If/when Novavax is approved and ordered by our government is there any reason why it couldn't be used as a follow up/booster for Pfizer. In other words does having the Pfizer vaccine now stop you from having the Novavax vaccine at a later date?

I'm not an immunologist but my logic says, take what's on offer now and if/when Novavax becomes available use that as a follow up at the appropriate time. Holding off is just stupid. We don't keep holding off for a better car, cell phone, TV or whatever, there's always going to be a better one in the future. We buy what's on offer now to take advantage of the real benefits we can get now rather than wait for yet to be proven possible future benefits.

it is just the way of the Anti vax brigade saying we are not against getting a vaccine but we want to wait for one that i want to inject in my body not one that the Government wants to, by the time it is available there will be another excuse for not taking Novavax, but in the mean time they can tell everyone they are not antivax but people who are extra careful.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2800277 24-Oct-2021 12:46

cshwone:

Technofreak:

Novavax hasn't been approved by MedSafe and I'm not even sure our government has ordered any Novavax.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-strategy-planning-insights/covid-19-purchasing-vaccines#novavax

10.72 million doses.

That's about an agreement to purchase, reading between the lines there has been no order placed.

From the link you provided;

Following Medsafe’s regulatory decision on the safety and effectiveness of the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine, and once delivery timeframes have been confirmed, we will consider the use of Novavax in New Zealand.

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#2800280 24-Oct-2021 13:07

I doubt the anti vax brigade are going to change until possibly we start having a number of deaths unfortunately.

When people start experiencing deaths amongst people they know it will possibly be an awakening experience. Ie no one knows a vax death but start knowing covid deaths.

Then add stories about operations being cancelled and subsequent bad outcomes.

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#2800281 24-Oct-2021 13:07

The reason many don’t want Pfizer is that it is an mRNA vaccine as opposed to Novavax.

From The Atlantic.

In this context, the success of the Novavax vaccine should be A1 news. The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way. Some of those people who have been wary of getting the mRNA vaccines may find Novavax more appealing.

The Novavax vaccine also has a substantially lower rate of side effects than the authorized mRNA vaccines. Last week’s data showed that about 40 percent of people who receive Novavax report fatigue after the second dose, as compared with 65 percent for Moderna and more than 55 percent for Pfizer. Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance. The CDC reported on Monday that, according to a survey conducted in the spring, only about half of adults under the age of 40 have gotten the vaccine or definitely intend to do so, and that, among the rest, 56 percent say they are concerned about side effects. Lower rates of adverse events are likely to be a bigger issue still for parents, when considering vaccination for their children.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

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#2800285 24-Oct-2021 13:14

afe66: I doubt the anti vax brigade are going to change until possibly we start having a number of deaths unfortunately.

When people start experiencing deaths amongst people they know it will possibly be an awakening experience. Ie no one knows a vax death but start knowing covid deaths.

Then add stories about operations being cancelled and subsequent bad outcomes.

Unfortunately many will double down on those beliefs before they let go of them - i.e. we're not dying of Covid, we're being killed off by a strain that specifically targets us released by the government etc.

It sounds insane but sadly plausible.

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#2800287 24-Oct-2021 13:20

afe66: I doubt the anti vax brigade are going to change until possibly we start having a number of deaths unfortunately.

When people start experiencing deaths amongst people they know it will possibly be an awakening experience. Ie no one knows a vax death but start knowing covid deaths.

Then add stories about operations being cancelled and subsequent bad outcomes.

i know someone from fiji who refused to get vaccinated.

he said before they vaccinated fiji there were no covid deaths.

the more the vaccinated the more covid deaths.

so he concluded the vaccine caused it.

let's hope we are smarter over here.

(what actually happened: once upon a time there were no covid and nobody was vaccinated in fiji. one day someone brought covid to the island so people got covid. govt immediately started vaccinating everybody. hence the deaths and vaccine coincided. but people are too clever.)

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#2800288 24-Oct-2021 13:24

Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance.

Really how big a deal are the side effects? Based on the people I know that have had the vaccine any side effects are pretty mild. I'm not saying there are't people who experience worse side effects but I think this side effects argument is way over stated

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#2800289 24-Oct-2021 13:26

Who would have guessed ?

Joining drinking parties poses double infection risk to unvaccinated, data suggests
https://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0007852609

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By location, the data suggested that the infection risk was 1.5 times higher at gatherings with alcohol at restaurants and izakaya Japanese pubs; 2.1 times higher at home drinking parties; and 2.3 times higher when drinking with others on the street or in a park.
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The risk stayed low if participants had kept their masks on except when eating or drinking, but the risk grew to 3.9 times higher for those who did not wear a mask throughout. The risk was over nine times greater for people who went to karaoke together.
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#2800290 24-Oct-2021 13:28

Technofreak:

Really how big a deal are the side effects? Based on the people I know that have had the vaccine any side effects are pretty mild. I'm not saying there are't people who experience worse side effects but I think this side effects argument is way over stated

First one for me had next to nothing for side effects, second one I had a fever for a few days and a slightly sore arm where the injection was for about a week, but otherwise nothing major...certainly not death like some of these antivaxx morons are saying.

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#2800291 24-Oct-2021 13:49

What the anti-vaxers have demonstrated again and again, is that they will seize upon any excuse to reject vaccination. Chlorine cures it, then horse medicine, then something else. All reasons to avoid vaccination. Waiting for a different/better vaccine is just more of the same bullshit, another delaying tactic. The anti-vaxers seem to see this as some kind of game. This is also evident in the nasty devious tactics employed to confuse people on-line. It is not a matter of thinking there are other ways to save lives. It is a matter of winning at all costs, regardless of how many people that kills. This in itself is a mental illness that ought to be grounds for solitary confinement.

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