2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2804854 31-Oct-2021 19:06

sbiddle:

Forcing people into MIQ is a very draconian step - and it's pretty clear lots of people are objecting to this. Anectodal evidence is suggesting people aren't getting tested because they don't want to go into MIQ.

Because we all know how well self-isolation works:

Police are working with the Ministry of Health to find out whether there has been a breach of Covid-19 restrictions at a Far North address where community cases are self-isolating.

A spokeswoman confirmed police received a report about "activity" at the address in the Northland district, which is in alert level 2.

"We are working with the Ministry of Health to understand the circumstances and determine whether any breaches have occurred."

People with Covid-19 held a gathering at the address, according to a Stuff report that quoted University of Otago Professor Michael Baker saying it would be "very worrying" if people had visited a Covid-19 home isolation address.

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#2804855 31-Oct-2021 19:07

Nice news. Another tool to add to the box.

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#2804861 31-Oct-2021 19:26

ezbee:

Batman: Friend from 3rd world Asia got his 3rd pfizer jab 2 weeks ago, about 6 months after 2nd dose

Would that be Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar, somewhere else ?

you're very very very close :)

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#2804862 31-Oct-2021 19:27

cokemaster: Just got back from a drive to pick up some stuff, there are a small number of protesters driving up and down dominion road and also standing near the Dominion road-balmoral road intersection.

Messaging seems to be:
- no mandate, no masks.
- “my body, my choice”
- lockdown / freedom of movement

No disruption of traffic but just wow. Get a vaccine so we can recover our freedoms and move towards a future without masks.

They have been protesting in level 2 Tauranga today, so expect more protests regardless of what level we are in next month.

There was at least one arrest.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300441034/tauranga-man-arrested-in-relation-to-antimask-gathering

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#2804867 31-Oct-2021 19:41

freitasm:

Because we all know how well self-isolation works:

And another one very close to home: Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Person required to self-isolate left West Auckland property on Saturday still on the run - NZ Herald

Self-isolation requires self control which is sadly lacking in lots of people these days.

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#2804869 31-Oct-2021 19:55

alexx:

cokemaster: Just got back from a drive to pick up some stuff, there are a small number of protesters driving up and down dominion road and also standing near the Dominion road-balmoral road intersection.

Messaging seems to be:
- no mandate, no masks.
- “my body, my choice”
- lockdown / freedom of movement

No disruption of traffic but just wow. Get a vaccine so we can recover our freedoms and move towards a future without masks.

They have been protesting in level 2 Tauranga today, so expect more protests regardless of what level we are in next month.

There was at least one arrest.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300441034/tauranga-man-arrested-in-relation-to-antimask-gathering

Freedom Day protests in ChCh yesterday, Cranmer Square. Not in the news as I guess there is no issue as regards L2 protocols. No need to feed the monkey either.

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#2804878 31-Oct-2021 20:17

cokemaster:
Yes, we have finite resources, particularly in regards to MIQ capacity.

Does that mean that we should throw abuse at New Zealanders that happen to be overseas and stuck in MIQ booking limbo? I’d like to think not. You are free to think otherwise.

Yes people are finding themselves in crap situations in regards to MIQ booking, but running off to the media to have a sook is usually what gets peoples backs up, especially when it is their own actions that have placed them in said crap situations.

Things like the below are bad, yes, but ultimately a product of their own doing, all Kiwis in Australia got told to come home as the bubble was closing, they chose to stay, now they are having trouble getting home, then having a sook to the media. Its a global pandemic, there might be some inconvenience in regards to global travel.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126812074/business-owner-they-wont-let-me-home-to-run-our-company

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#2804880 31-Oct-2021 20:22

cokemaster:

Does that mean that we should throw abuse at New Zealanders that happen to be overseas and stuck in MIQ booking limbo? I’d like to think not. You are free to think otherwise.

Nope, and nowhere did I suggest we should be abusing overseas Kiwis.

As with most things, the media will give a voice to the ones people react to and the vast majority of them will be trying to do their best without a fuss, with the idiots given the most attention.

But I do take issue with Kiwis who have lived overseas for years/decades deciding to move to NZ during an active pandemic and complaining about how hard that is, or the overseas Kiwis who want to dictate to people living in NZ how our response should look, given that a) our biggest city is currently in lockdown, and b) we're the ones who went through those harsh lockdowns at no small personal, social and economic cost.

Forgive us if our response is more about keeping the people who actually live here safe than the convenience of those who have been happy to have little to do with NZ until the pandemic struck.

BUT having said that, our MIQ priority system is a joke, it's ridiculous that coming to NZ for a Waiheke wedding and a summer holiday is treated the same as seeing elderly parents or family for the first time in years. If we had actively managed it so we had more of the latter and less of the former, then maybe we wouldn't be seeing so many heart-breaking stories in the press about people missing out on MIQ spots.

How real estate agents can get MIQ spots for jaunts to Greek islands but families can't reunite with loved ones is beyond me.

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#2804941 31-Oct-2021 21:16

What happened to those deadbeat protestors stopped at Mercer? Are they still there wasting their time, or did they finally come to their senses and leave?

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#2804947 31-Oct-2021 22:16

quickymart:

What happened to those deadbeat protestors stopped at Mercer? Are they still there wasting their time, or did they finally come to their senses and leave?

3 days old. Basically says they got told to leave or get trespassed & arrested. No further news (other than the lady with a exemption to move house being allowed through another checkpoint), so I think we can assume they went home.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300440059/covid19-two-arrests-and-more-likely-at-antilockdown-hkoi

Seems likely that getting stopped and causing drama was likely considered a successful outcome for this group. They could have taken their protest to the beehive if they wanted to go by road. Or if they really wanted to go to waitingi gone by air / sea - clearly they were willing to throw some money at this given they took 50 vehicles (incl buses) for just 100 people.

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#2804951 31-Oct-2021 23:24

sbiddle:

NSW rolling out booster jabs from tomorrow.. Wonder how many years it'll be until we order some?

Frankly little hurry, we ordered / procured 10.75m pfizer doses (incl 500k from denmark and 250k from spain).

Only have used 6.81m doses so far, so just shy of 4m doses still remaining in our current orders.

We only crossed 1m people fully vaccinated on the 21st Aug. Even if somehow managed to vaccinate 95% of our total population, we would still have over 1m doses spare to act as boosters for those people. At a 6 month booster timing, we won't need to worry untill feb 21st.

In reality we aren't likely to get 95% total vaccination rates, and we won't have 100% take rate on boosters at exactly 6 months, so we probiably have another month or two up our sleeve.

Waiting another 2-3 months before ordering should give us better info to make the decsion on. Key thinks for consideration:

Does our pfizer order cover the pediatric doses? If not and we need to order them, we will have way more spare adult doses on hand.
Is novavax going to come to market - currently seems to be the perfected booster option, and we have a purchase agreement for 10.8m doses.
Any thing better coming to market? - I know Pfizer is trialing a delta specific vaccine / booster.

But we do need to hurry up and approve booster shots domestically. Some of the people in high risk settings are now way past 6m of full vaccination.

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#2804958 1-Nov-2021 00:48

freitasm:

Because we all know how well self-isolation works:

Maybe that is the plan with these new far larger fines when they finally come in. They expect most people will self isolate properly but they have possibly modelled that a certain percentage won't, and they will get fined. It looks like the government are planning for it to be endemic in NZ, which is what quite a few of experts warned against.

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#2804959 1-Nov-2021 00:53

Technofreak:
ezbee:

This is becoming far too common.

Two escapees from Jet Park quarantine still to be found
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454613/covid-19-two-escapees-from-jet-park-quarantine-still-to-be-found

Its not meant to be a prison, but seems some need it to be.
Never mind that these are positive cases that benefit for their own good from monitoring.
Just in case they go south.

They wouldn't have been there if they were vaccinated. Easy.

Are you sure? I read about some people living in an Auckland house where they were all fully vaxxed, but one of them tested positive at work. Although they had no symptoms. They were sent to MIQ, and the others in the house were to self isolate for 14 days in case they test positive. Maybe it was done to protect the others in the household. But I have read of some positive people self isolating at home with others who don't have the virus, one living in their garage to isolate .

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#2805017 1-Nov-2021 07:07

Picks for today? We know we're not switching to a traffic light system yet, we're not moving down more than one step at a time and we sure as hell aren't going to L2.

So only question is Level 3 Step One or Level 3 Step Two?

Bit of a no-win position here, cases are high, buy-in is fading (if not gone) and dropping a level with increasing numbers of cases could make people think the whole thing is a mess.

But not dropping down alert levels is basically a clear signal that we won't make it out of L3 until 29/11 at the absolute earliest anyway, given we are now obviously going to be hamstrung by CMDHB.

Some days you look at being an MP in cabinet and think 'they've made a dumb decision, I would have done things differently' but this one is a legitimate head scratcher. There's no easy win here.

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#2805018 1-Nov-2021 07:16

GV27:

Picks for today? We know we're not switching to a traffic light system yet, we're not moving down more than one step at a time and we sure as hell aren't going to L2.

So only question is Level 3 Step One or Level 3 Step Two?

Bit of a no-win position here, cases are high, buy-in is fading (if not gone) and dropping a level with increasing numbers of cases could make people think the whole thing is a mess.

But not dropping down alert levels is basically a clear signal that we won't make it out of L3 until 29/11 at the absolute earliest anyway, given we are now obviously going to be hamstrung by CMDHB.

Some days you look at being an MP in cabinet and think 'they've made a dumb decision, I would have done things differently' but this one is a legitimate head scratcher. There's no easy win here.

There is no easy win. Had not so many been non compliant, cases could have eased, alert levels decrease, vaxxes are up, and you can step down based on isolate at home, which with a high level of vaccinated, eases hospitals. Some people screwed that, so its a race to get vaccinated. Given how this is going, and how the ideal is to free up AKL, I wouldn't take the vax % or the DHB targets as gospel. Say, one laggard DHB is at 88.6% the rest are above 90, take the target as "achieved" for example. Law of Diminishing Returns, those last few % in some areas would be a low gain with a very high cost of they caused delays. While your optimism might be downbeat, the Govt wants AKL open

I just dont get why some areas or demographics are lagging so much, vaccine centres are everywhere

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