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#2807056 3-Nov-2021 22:37

wellygary:

Scott3:

Not sure how you are drawing that conclusion.

Red: Regional boundary restrictions may apply.

Orange: Regional boundary restrictions will not apply.

https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/

So if any region is at red (and Auckland is expected to transition to red before Christmas), that region MAY have regional boundary restrictions.

Extremely likely that the traffic light system will be implemented at the end of the month nationwide. They have even scheduled a press conference to cover the review of our nations vaccination rates.

Apparently they are going to start low volume testing of the system in the next day or two. So system seem likely to be ready by the end of the month.

The PM has said that all regions in the NI (outside Auckland) will move together when we all reach 90%.... until then they remain in the Level system - vax passports only function under the new system

Auckland will move at the end of the month, but Northland, Whanganui and the East coast are not projected to hit 90% until early 2022...

So either they are going to allow individual regions to move earlier (they have said they are not) or they will allow vax passport under the existing system - (this would be a change too)

Vax passports are being trialled now so the remains of Hospo in Auckland can open as soon as the 90% target allows Auckland into the Traffic light system...

What I was responding to was "if the Auckland border remains, that means no traffic light system operating in the rest of the North Island". The traffic light system does allow for regional borders if a region is in red. So the traffic light system can be in place in the rest of the north island while the Auckland border remains.

With regards to comment in bold. I agree with your assessment with regards to timeline for northland etc to hit double dose.

I feel is extremely likely that the 90% double vaccinated target for each DHB will be abandoned in pretty short order. It will be spun positive in some way, like first dose percentage's exceeding or being close to 90% or similar. Entire country will then be moved to the traffic light system (perhaps in blocks: Auckland than south island, then rest of north island).

The country as a whole (Especially Auckland) is already fed up with waiting for vaccine laggards. And there is no good reason to delay vaccine certs until we have very high vaccination rates (actually they have more value at lower vaccination rates). I, as with numerous commentators am of the opinion the target is just a red hearing to distract from the fact the system isn't ready.

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#2807057 3-Nov-2021 22:37

dead while isolating with covid https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-one-person-dies-while-isolating-with-covid-at-south-auckland-address/MCXYD7R2PYIIAUZY4CASIXXL6E/

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#2807076 4-Nov-2021 06:36

Very sad.

Will be interesting to see whether the Covid care plan for people self-isolating at homes sufficiently takes into account co-morbidities - I would have thought you'd need a fairly extensive examination by a physician as part of that process as opposed to a phone call - probably important given how Kiwis seem to tend to put off medical care or getting regular things like blood tests.

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#2807158 4-Nov-2021 08:22

Technofreak:

I'll quite likely have to cross backwards and forwards through the border for work during this time. I don't fancy queuing for hours in either direction to get to and from work. It's going to make for some very long days if they persist with some sort of check at the border. Perhaps they'll have an express lane. Second thoughts that makes too much sense.

My job is almost exclusively away from home. I normally leave on a Monday and come back Friday either by car or plane. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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#2807168 4-Nov-2021 08:43

I am adamant that any border system will prove to be unworkable.

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#2807170 4-Nov-2021 08:47

mudguard:
Technofreak:

I'll quite likely have to cross backwards and forwards through the border for work during this time. I don't fancy queuing for hours in either direction to get to and from work. It's going to make for some very long days if they persist with some sort of check at the border. Perhaps they'll have an express lane. Second thoughts that makes too much sense.

My job is almost exclusively away from home. I normally leave on a Monday and come back Friday either by car or plane. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It is almost certain we will wither have the border as it currently stands, or get rids of checkpoints that stop every vehicle. Quite likely the latter.

Canceling Christmas travel is politically unpalatable, and Police are already stretched. Deploying enough to do vaccination cert checks on 30,000+ cars of holiday makers (incl cargo area searches for stowaways) is simply unworkable.

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#2807175 4-Nov-2021 08:53

Scott3:

It is almost certain we will wither have the border as it currently stands, or get rids of checkpoints that stop every vehicle. Quite likely the latter.

Canceling Christmas travel is politically unpalatable, and Police are already stretched. Deploying enough to do vaccination cert checks on 30,000+ cars of holiday makers (incl cargo area searches for stowaways) is simply unworkable.

Agreed. We are more likely to have no travel at all over Xmas than border checks.

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#2807295 4-Nov-2021 09:47

Would be easier for them to require you register a vehicle via license plate and tag all the travelers who will be in it, then have two lanes at the checkpoint. One for pre-registered vehicles where you check IDs, any inconsistencies and you get turned around. The other runs slower and checks vaccine status at the border.

This would also make processing freight through the border considerably faster, as you register the truckie's NHI against the plate and have them use the "fast" lane

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#2807296 4-Nov-2021 09:50

The Police association have already said it's heading for a clusterf if the border is there at Christmas.

I suspect it'll be vaxxed people only to be able to leave Auckland, but only random checks. In other words, get ready Coromandel and BOP, Auckland is coming, and some of us will bring the virus.

It mightn't be a bad idea to block Northland off if they are still way behind. And Tairawhiti too - pretty easy to block those roads going round the cape or to Gisborne. No one in or out until they get their jabs.

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#2807303 4-Nov-2021 09:58

Grant Robertson this morning

Robertson said they are wanting to make sure Aucklanders can travel.

He told First Up there will not be boundaries once the traffic light framework - which relies on 90 percent vaccination - is fully in place.

But in the event that that was not operating fully by Christmas, the government was working out a system to make travel possible.

Robertson does not think allocated time out of the region for those travelling by road is practical.

I wonder what 'fully' implies?

Across all of NZ?

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#2807309 4-Nov-2021 10:11

Ideally you just open the gate without checks given practical issues.
Team of 5M takes burden of community transmission, checking vaxx certs at bars, dining and events.

South takes it on the chin re cases that come up, interruption to diagnostics and elective surgery.
Farming, Horticulture, Fruit business losses if outbreaks occur in working gangs packhouses, meatworks.

Tauranga, Coromandel Peninsular rush could see more aggravation, local iwi roadblocks ?
Is the south recently agitating for level 1 ready ?
Who would want to be in Government during a pandemic.

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#2807319 4-Nov-2021 10:39

The Team of Five Million is starting to look a lot like "The Team of 2 million north of the Tron do the work and everyone else does what they want".

If we want to talk about who is taking what burden then the rest of NZ has months of catching up to do.

So I can't see Aucklanders taking too kindly to even more provincialism given the literal months other parts of the country have had to get ahead of this.

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#2807324 4-Nov-2021 10:43

GV27:

The Team of Five Million is starting to look a lot like "The Team of 2 million north of the Tron do the work and everyone else does what they want".

If we want to talk about who is taking what burden then the rest of NZ has months of catching up to do.

So I can't see Aucklanders taking too kindly to even more provincialism given the literal months other parts of the country have had to get ahead of this.

To be fair, instead of travelling for work, I'm having to call the places I would normally be at. 99% of those I speak to are extremely sympathetic to those in Auckland.

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#2807328 4-Nov-2021 10:52

Sure, they're sympathetic, but not to the point where they're all rushing out to get vaccinated (agree, the majority in every DHB are now vaxxed, just not to the 90% magic number, and there are some distinct laggards).

It doesn't affect them so much when 1.6 million Aucklanders are stuck at home. It'd sure affect them if they were and Aucklanders could go and play where everyone was at 90%.

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#2807330 4-Nov-2021 10:54

Buster:

Grant Robertson this morning

Robertson said they are wanting to make sure Aucklanders can travel.

He told First Up there will not be boundaries once the traffic light framework - which relies on 90 percent vaccination - is fully in place.

But in the event that that was not operating fully by Christmas, the government was working out a system to make travel possible.

Robertson does not think allocated time out of the region for those travelling by road is practical.

I wonder what 'fully' implies?

Across all of NZ?

100% its all of NZ. They have already said the traffic light system won't be in place until ALL DHB's reach 90%.

I personally don't think we will get there by Christmas but who know's what may change before then.

Also see Robertson walked back on hipkins ridiculous leaving times for Auckland travelers made yesterday

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