2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2809436 8-Nov-2021 16:31

GV27:

Also Auckland will not hit the traffic light system now before 29/11. So another lost month.

But isn't it only going to happen once double vaccination hits 90% in Auckland anyway? I see that they are giving $50 food vouchers in places for vaccination. I wonder how many people are holding out for payments. They really need to push vaccination.

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#2809439 8-Nov-2021 16:35

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"A man charged over Auckland's anti-lockdown protest reportedly has Covid-19. Papatoetoe resident Paul Thompson, aged 57, last week denied failing to comply with the Covid-19 Public Health Response Order by attending the gathering, along with 5000 people, during alert level 3 restrictions. Thompson, a member of Destiny Church, has since tested positive for Covid, Stuff reports."

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Man charged over Auckland's anti-lockdown protest has Covid-19 - report - NZ Herald

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#2809444 8-Nov-2021 16:50

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#2809446 8-Nov-2021 16:53

mattwnz:

They really need to push vaccination.

Ummm....

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#2809457 8-Nov-2021 17:13

Points I found interesting form todays Press Conference (in no particular order)

1) The Centralized Vaccine Exemption system is up and running from today - not expecting to issue many exemption so lots of unhappy people in the near term.

2) 6 month Booster shots approval process has passed it's first hurdle - expect this to be finalized in the next few weeks. Plenty of vaccine stocks available now.

3) Vaccination Certificates in Trials now and will be ready to go very soon.

4) Auckland will move to the new traffic light system as soon as possible after the 29/11 - my reading was with-in days of that date.

5) There will be no quarantine free international arrivals next year - at some point it will be some Home Isolation period for overseas (I guess 3-5 days) so add that time onto you Aussie holiday annual leave next year.

6) The are announcing how they plan to let Auckland travel soon (in the next week or two I think) - looking forward to seeing how that would work. They know it is going to involve 40+ thousand cars per day.

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#2809459 8-Nov-2021 17:20

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GV27:

Also Auckland will not hit the traffic light system now before 29/11. So another lost month.

But isn't it only going to happen once double vaccination hits 90% in Auckland anyway? I see that they are giving $50 food vouchers in places for vaccination. I wonder how many people are holding out for payments. They really need to push vaccination.

Not from what I can tell. I think the 29th will be the "Eh, good enough" point.

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#2809473 8-Nov-2021 17:43

KrazyKid:

Points I found interesting form todays Press Conference (in no particular order)

1) The Centralized Vaccine Exemption system is up and running from today - not expecting to issue many exemption so lots of unhappy people in the near term.

2) 6 month Booster shots approval process has passed it's first hurdle - expect this to be finalized in the next few weeks. Plenty of vaccine stocks available now.

3) Vaccination Certificates in Trials now and will be ready to go very soon.

4) Auckland will move to the new traffic light system as soon as possible after the 29/11 - my reading was with-in days of that date.

5) There will be no quarantine free international arrivals next year - at some point it will be some Home Isolation period for overseas (I guess 3-5 days) so add that time onto you Aussie holiday annual leave next year.

6) The are announcing how they plan to let Auckland travel soon (in the next week or two I think) - looking forward to seeing how that would work. They know it is going to involve 40+ thousand cars per day.

I'm willing to bet that we will see quarantine free travel next year. It will be happening pretty well everywhere else and as a result there will be huge pressure for it to happen here.

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#2809474 8-Nov-2021 17:46

GV27:
Not from what I can tell. I think the 29th will be the "Eh, good enough" point.

Well they've reached 90% first dose, so naturally whatever they did, if they do it again, you will get 90% seconds dose.

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#2809475 8-Nov-2021 18:04

GV27:
Geektastic: Imagine the press if she opens the border and all of a sudden Delta is rampant everywhere? Rightly or wrongly, the public view would be "If you hadn't let them out we'd still be fine!"

What's the possible end-game there? It's going to get out either way.

Or is the assumption Aucklanders should just be prevented from moving around forever?

No idea. Perception is reality in politics however.

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#2809478 8-Nov-2021 18:17

GV27:

mattwnz:

I don't think many will want covid for Christmas. There will likely be over a million people who have no protection against covid too. 81 in hospital today, the number is again rising rapidly.

Vaccination rates in other parts of the country suggest they're reasonably ambivalent about the prospect of Covid at all.

At some point that shouldn't be considered Auckland's fault, or problem. You can't keep the biggest city in the country locked down because other bits of it refuse to engage with the vaccination process.

If those other places want to curtail their rights in the same way that Aucklanders have then perhaps they should be welcome to request a Level 3 for Xmas with no mixing of families and no travel like Auckland has been dealing with until vaccination rates get up.

Otherwise it seems like a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. And at some point, it's going to happen anyway. There's no credible alternative. The rest of NZ has had plenty of time and warning.

Sorry but you are really coming across quite irrationally here. Two other big centres are over the 90% first dose; Waikato only has 7459 to go to get there too. Amongst the remaining DHB's, they are all over 80% first dose. That doesn't sound ambivalent to me.

Given the rural nature of the rest of the country is that a surprise given that we don't have the mobile vaccination buses that have been targeting the country from Waikato northwards?

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#2809482 8-Nov-2021 18:32

cshwone:

Sorry but you are really coming across quite irrationally here. Two other big centres are over the 90% first dose; Waikato only has 7459 to go to get there too. Amongst the remaining DHB's, they are all over 80% first dose. That doesn't sound ambivalent to me.

Given the rural nature of the rest of the country is that a surprise given that we don't have the mobile vaccination buses that have been targeting the country from Waikato northwards?

And yet Covid has made it into some extremely low-vax communities already judging by waste-water results.

We're not talking "it's been out for weeks" or an unreasonably short time frame here. Auckland has been locked down for literally months now.

How much more time do you need? Is it rational to think people who have had all this time to get a jab and not gotten one will suddenly get one without an outbreak in their community prompting it?

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#2809483 8-Nov-2021 18:38

cshwone:

Two other big centres are over the 90% first dose; Waikato only has 7459 to go to get there too. Amongst the remaining DHB's, they are all over 80% first dose. That doesn't sound ambivalent to me.

Given the rural nature of the rest of the country is that a surprise given that we don't have the mobile vaccination buses that have been targeting the country from Waikato northwards?

Which was part of what I was talking about a page or two back.

I have a lot of sympathy for Aucklanders and the situation they have been placed in by the need for the 90% figure before the traffic light system gets implemented everywhere.

However they also need to realise that there has been a significant effort applied (mobile vaccine busses etc) to reach 90% in Auckland which is an area that is the one of the most accessible areas in New Zealand. If it weren't for this extra special effort Auckland would be no further ahead than much of the rest of the country. You only have to look at the likes of Capital and Coast and Canterbury to see Auckland results are nothing special and without the big push that has gone on there they would be still way shy of 90%.

The rural areas due to their much reduced accessibility will require an even bigger effort but there doesn't seem to be any motivation for that to happen. Hence they are now lagging behind the likes of Auckland. I don't think it's fair to say those areas are ambivalent or they are dragging the chain.

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#2809485 8-Nov-2021 18:43

sen8or:

I don't think there is an end game, I think its just delay, delay, delay and hope that vax rates increase to the point where hospitlisations are minimised.

To me, its getting to the point where daily case numbers are no longer useful, hospitalisations and ICU are probably more relevant, along with hospitalisations and ICU split between vax/non vax. Case numbers are just there to try and scare people now.

I doubt there is a practical solution to the Auckland border conundrum come December, either open it or don't, either way its a political time bomb that the longer you leave unannounced, the larger the explosion is going to be (and there will be an explosion, open or close, no one is going to be happy).

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#2809486 8-Nov-2021 18:47

mattwnz:

The experts have said that case numbers are very useful, not sure why they wouldn't be considered useful. Infact todays numbers show that there are cases not being detected based on the high % of tests testing positive. So it could be estimated from that how many real cases there are. Hospitalization rates are weeks behind case numbers, because it can take weeks for people after they test positive, to get bad enough to need hospital treatment. It is like a slow train crash, because from the cases today, they can see how many will need hospitalization in several weeks time.

Thats why vaccination matters re hospital beds.

But the experts say don't open, other experts say its ok, who do you believe? The one that suits.

The pity is those up North who have done the right thing. They are being screwed by those that haven't.

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#2809489 8-Nov-2021 18:49

mattwnz:

The problem is that the 10% of eligble people who won't be vaccinated, many are the most vulnerable that will be worst affected by it.

Are they? Id say most hesitant/anti are in the 18-40 so they are "safe"

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