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#2810629 10-Nov-2021 17:47

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This decision to bring kids back to school with 3 weeks left of the year is just dumb.

It'll make a hell of a difference to a lot of families.

3 weeks is better than nothing - I definitely wouldn't call it dumb.

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#2810630 10-Nov-2021 17:48

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This decision to bring kids back to school with 3 weeks left of the year is just dumb.

It'll make a hell of a difference to a lot of families.

yep my daughter is 5 and a half and is just not engaging with home learning at all, as much as we try and sit there an help her she just doesn't want to do it. we try reading, writing etc but no nothing helps

While at school she was fully engaged, and absolutely loved it. so for us its likely we will send her back.

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#2810632 10-Nov-2021 17:54

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The justifications IMO are also crazy and a lot of spin. Isn't it going to be more of a get together than actually doing much work. We wil lhave a lot of unvaccinated children and I remember experts saying that schools could become a reservoir for the virus. Despite the PM saying that thy expect cases to be 200 by the end of November , where we are probably there now, all his relaxing of the rules IMO is going to cause cases to go up quite a bit, even with higher vaccination levels. We just have to look at Singapore and Europe. Also saw a photo of crazy scene of a crowd of people inside a shopping mall waiting for the store to open, essentially no social distancing and we know how it spreads inside.

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#2810635 10-Nov-2021 18:04

networkn:
This decision to bring kids back to school with 3 weeks left of the year is just dumb.

Nah, but how they're going about it is dumb. My eight year old has been going to school for the last 3 weeks under essential worker exemption. They've been maintaining bubbles within school and keeping the doors and windows open to keep the classrooms ventilated. Now they're going to open the school up but the hours are shorter, social distancing is enforced, and masks are mandated for kids from year 4.

So he's going to go from going to school full time, being maskless, and being able to play with his bubble mates, to what exactly? Three hours of school a day, mask on, minimum social interaction? What's the point in that? These kids are going to be playing together outside of school hours anyway as part of the extended bubbles. This is really dumb.

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#2810645 10-Nov-2021 18:57

rugrat:

Would a vaccine have been made as quickly in the 80’s, 90’s.?

Know the technology has been around for long time, but when it was ready to use not sure.

The knowledge base has been around since SARS. Covid-19 is SARS (well SARS2) Its not new so the vaccine is not a 30 day invention.

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#2810646 10-Nov-2021 18:59

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Still only 16K second doses yesterday... 33K still needed to reach 80% double dosed,

They might hold off making a big thing about it thou, as if they hang out till early next week they will also hit 90% single doses nationally, (currently 21.3K to go- with 5.8K doses yesterday )

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

I ma getting the feeling that anti vaxxers are larger group. Given the attention over 20+ months, I would label hesitants as anti axxers.

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#2810647 10-Nov-2021 19:00

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Pretty big warning today from the standup for anyone unvaccinated, that it will be spreading throughout NZ by the holidays as Aucklanders will be allowed to travel out of the area.

Of course it will. Its a done deal. We don't want suppression, we want haircuts

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#2810650 10-Nov-2021 19:03

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The justifications IMO are also crazy and a lot of spin. Isn't it going to be more of a get together than actually doing much work. We wil lhave a lot of unvaccinated children and I remember experts saying that schools could become a reservoir for the virus. Despite the PM saying that thy expect cases to be 200 by the end of November , where we are probably there now, all his relaxing of the rules IMO is going to cause cases to go up quite a bit, even with higher vaccination levels. We just have to look at Singapore and Europe. Also saw a photo of crazy scene of a crowd of people inside a shopping mall waiting for the store to open, essentially no social distancing and we know how it spreads inside.

I agree, but the public want out. The public seem to want a freedom policy not a health/economy policy.

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#2810652 10-Nov-2021 19:13

Pretty surprising to hear Hipkins say tonight that *anybody* who wants the AZ vaccine can get it after consultation with those giving the vaccination. This was a pretty significant change from Bloomfield at 1pm who made it very clear there was very strict criteria over who would be eligible.

There is so much confusion occurring at present with poor communication and decision making.

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#2810653 10-Nov-2021 19:15

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mattwnz:

The justifications IMO are also crazy and a lot of spin. Isn't it going to be more of a get together than actually doing much work. We wil lhave a lot of unvaccinated children and I remember experts saying that schools could become a reservoir for the virus. Despite the PM saying that thy expect cases to be 200 by the end of November , where we are probably there now, all his relaxing of the rules IMO is going to cause cases to go up quite a bit, even with higher vaccination levels. We just have to look at Singapore and Europe. Also saw a photo of crazy scene of a crowd of people inside a shopping mall waiting for the store to open, essentially no social distancing and we know how it spreads inside.

I agree, but the public want out. The public seem to want a freedom policy not a health/economy policy.

Only the Auckland public.

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#2810654 10-Nov-2021 19:19

Scott3:

In terms of today's announcement:

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Astrazeneca is going to start being offered in very limited locations in NZ. Only to the following groups:

Those medically unable to have pfizer.
Those working in a role impacted by vaccine mandate's, who are unwilling to have pfizer, but are willing to have Astrazeneca. - But will require some kind of consultation to discuss the relative merits of the vaccienes. (director general of health stated that AZ was less effective against delta, and also has well publicised rare side effects).

Will be interesting to see how the latter point goes down. Education & Healthcare mandates kick in on the 16th, but AZ won't be available untill the end of the month.

Just saw this now after my post above. This has pretty much all been superseded by Hipkins this evening who said anybody who wants the AZ vaccine will be able to get it after discussion with those offering the vaccine.

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#2810655 10-Nov-2021 19:19

Supplying details of name, dob and proof of vaccination seems a step too far in my opinion.

I agree, they have no need for this information and should be told as much. It's really not much different to a person holding a professional registration like an electrician or even someone like a paramedic coming on site. No one askes to see their qualification/registration details. You trust that the company they work for has ensured the staff they send are appropriately qualified.

If neither if you have. I suggest looking at the open spec for the vaccine passport app.

That is EXACTLY what is going to be in your QR code that anyone who designs a reader using json or similar, or the real app. Will be reading.

Dob. Name. Status
And the retailers/hospo then ask for your ID if they wish to match it.

And its not limited to hospo. Anyone wanting to raise their risk profile can make use of it as a term of entry.

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#2810706 10-Nov-2021 19:28

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wellygary:

Still only 16K second doses yesterday... 33K still needed to reach 80% double dosed,

They might hold off making a big thing about it thou, as if they hang out till early next week they will also hit 90% single doses nationally, (currently 21.3K to go- with 5.8K doses yesterday )

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

I ma getting the feeling that anti vaxxers are larger group. Given the attention over 20+ months, I would label hesitants as anti axxers.

Once you have gone full META.

There is a bit of ME generation stuff, like Agent Smith in the Matrix.

There has been a lot of time for antivax movement to co-opt a number of disaffected groups.
I saw on TV one lone 1080 campaigner, anti three waters, anti climate change.

I gather gun rights groups, and 1080 have been a bit quiet moving to antivax ?
Sovereign Citizen , as well as Pentecostal/Evangelical etc.

The protest that revealed a new, ugly, dangerous side to our country
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/10-11-2021/protest-covid-vaccine-wellington/

Having hit 90% voting age vaccinated, its hard for them to claim to be silent majority.
So frustration grows, with calls for 9/11 events and rolling parliament.
If someone takes this seriously they will be all oh were were only joking.

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#2810707 10-Nov-2021 19:29

Oblivian:
Supplying details of name, dob and proof of vaccination seems a step too far in my opinion.

I agree, they have no need for this information and should be told as much. It's really not much different to a person holding a professional registration like an electrician or even someone like a paramedic coming on site. No one askes to see their qualification/registration details. You trust that the company they work for has ensured the staff they send are appropriately qualified.

If neither if you have. I suggest looking at the open spec for the vaccine passport app.

That is EXACTLY what is going to be in your QR code that anyone who designs a reader using json or similar, or the real app. Will be reading.

Dob. Name. Status
And the retailers/hospo then ask for your ID if they wish to match it.

And its not limited to hospo. Anyone wanting to raise their risk profile can make use of it as a term of entry.

So long as they're only reading and not storing, that's OK.

I got the impression the discussion was around sending this data to an organisation in a format that means it is likely to be saved.

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#2810710 10-Nov-2021 19:45

could save/use it. It's open format and not much stopping it. Like airnz or club membership bars are likely to to stop asking for it every visit.

Not sure what the concen is providing on request. Basicy the same thing we're all going to be handing over with no guarantee. We aren't exactly the US where they can use it for so many things. Here, fairly hopeless without photo to back it up

Lose a passport, lose a licence. Same things on those. But not near as Much concern shown.

Guess all the call centers wanting it for verification may have to widen their net of questions however. Then again, we dont have acct numbers or pins married to them on display too. Would be concerned then!

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