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#2811006 11-Nov-2021 10:30

MileHighKiwi: Pertinent question of the day: how many oximetres do we have in the country and how many are on their way?

Surely our comprehensive pandemic response plan caters for a large number of people to isolate at home and we have prepared accordingly.

I bought 2 from Aliexpress at NZD5 each and they arrived in 7 days!

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#2811009 11-Nov-2021 10:32

SJB:

What are the implications of the government implementing the traffic light system before Christmas?

Presumably Auckland plus some other areas of NI will be red while SI, assuming there isn't a sudden significant outbreak, will be green.

How does that restrict travel between the two?

Nowhere will be green - infact I'd be genuinely surprised if anywhere went to green before the 2nd half of 2022.

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#2811010 11-Nov-2021 10:36

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I bought 2 from Aliexpress at NZD5 each and they arrived in 7 days!

Would you really trust your medical health to a $5 device from Aliexpress!!!!

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#2811011 11-Nov-2021 10:37

wellygary:

Well the messaging is now all over the place, and Ministers are blaming officials as they seek to cover their own butts,

On Monday we are told cases are tracking along fine, now we are told we "weren't" ready for 120 cases a day......

last night: (10th)

"The Health Minister has made a major admission - the home isolation system "wasn't ready" to cope with more than 120 daily cases of COVID-19 in the community."
""I've said to officials, I expect changes to be made immediately.""

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/health-minister-andrew-little-admits-home-isolation-system-wasn-t-ready-for-current-number-of-covid-cases.html

But two days earlier on Monday (8th) the PM said this

"generally, we’re expecting cases to increase. So as a general rule, and we’ve said this all the way through, we are expecting cases to continue to rise. We are at an R value between 1.2 and 1.3, which tells us that they will continue to rise, and we have tracked along, as has been predicted, based on that. The view of public health seems to suggest that they don’t believe necessarily that these changes will be a significant contributor."

The admission from Andrew Little last night was both frank and scary. The fact the government sat on their hands for 18 months telling us we beat Covid and won and did nothing to prepare for integration with the world is now increasingly clear.

This is no longer about the health response, it's about the political response and the decisions that were made by the government to do very little in terms of preparing our health system. Rather than spending 18 months battle hardening our health system all we did was decide in the middle of a global pandemic to completely restructure the system and scrap the DHBs.

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#2811013 11-Nov-2021 10:38

sbiddle:

Nowhere will be green - infact I'd be genuinely surprised if anywhere went to green before the 2nd half of 2022.

The green light: Some isolated community transmission

The green light is for when Covid-19 spread is isolated, with hospitalisations at a manageable level.

That applies outside of Auckland, including Waikato and Northland. SI would be green

The orange light: More risk of serious community transmission

The orange light is intended for use when there is some community transmission of Covid-19, and it is putting some pressure on the healthcare system – but not enough to overwhelm it

I assume Waikato and Northland are not in this category

Later on when it spreads from Auckland to everywhere, everything will change based on hospital beds, so we will all probably be Red then

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#2811014 11-Nov-2021 10:39

sbiddle:

SJB:

What are the implications of the government implementing the traffic light system before Christmas?

Presumably Auckland plus some other areas of NI will be red while SI, assuming there isn't a sudden significant outbreak, will be green.

How does that restrict travel between the two?

Nowhere will be green - infact I'd be genuinely surprised if anywhere went to green before the 2nd half of 2022.

Bingo, the big thing about the light system is once its rolled out past Auckland the borders vanish,

COVID will spread across the country, everywhere will be Red and Orange, until we are all either Vaccinated or infected..... that's how a virus works

Even at 90% vaxxed, there's still over a million people unprotected. (400K (10%) plus around 600K kids)-

Doing 6-11 kids would mean only around 300K kids left and 400K in the 10% unavxxed)

If we got to 95% (big stretch target) there would still be 200K unvaxxxed adults, ).. at 200 cases a day that's 3 years to get everyone...

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#2811015 11-Nov-2021 10:39

So people isolate from home and there is not enough capability to supervise.
Some may also not be very supervise-able, and its life as normal.
Covid plus Alcohol and Drugs is probably not that manageable.

Those that are most at risk having a place in MIQ are able to be monitored, it may save their lives ..but...

Staff at MIQ hotels report increased violence and aggression from guests
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/455434/staff-at-miq-hotels-report-increased-violence-and-aggression-from-guests

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And many of them are anti-vaxxers - they wouldn't be in there if they had been vaccinated in the first place. They have some of the aggressive behaviour we are seeing," he said.
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She said there had already been many "quite concerning" cases of violence against nurses.

"They've been shouted at, sworn at, they've been spat at, kicked, punched, grabbed aggressively and just hurled abuse [at], called names. I know some of our members have experienced some racist comments," she said.
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It said health staff had been "informed not to walk the floors alone" and each day they were getting a list of persons of interest or 'POIs' in the hotel, to watch out for.
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#2811017 11-Nov-2021 10:45

networkn:

Holy Moly that might be the most ignorant thing I've seen you ever say.

It's a disgraceful thing to say and just plain wrong.

I am genuinely shocked to see you say it.

How is it wrong?

I agree bricks and mortar shops have struggled but they were struggling before the pandemic. The retail sales model has been changing for a at least half a decade with the move to online sales. Aotearoa has been slow to adapt trying to hold onto a sunset business model. Restaurants have failed but prior to the pandemic for every 10 new dinning establishments started there were a good number of failures. I look at Petone over the three years prior the pandemic every second retail building was turned into a dinning establishment and due to over saturation there were failures. Similar to the video rentals store of the 80/90s there was a flood of these, early entrants made profits the rest didn't. Many restaurants were going to fail despite the pandemic due to our very small market.

New Zealand was slowly changing to meet similar changes to offshore market but many sunset businesses failed to adapt. The failures were inevitable and probably accelerated by the pandemic. Unemployment is a very indicative metric for economic recession or recovery. The rates of unemployment during the 2020 early 2021 did not reach anywhere near the predicted levels and as recently as the 80s reforms and the GFC at the beginning of the decade created far higher levels of unemployment.

In April 2020 the environment for life and business changed and probably for the foreseeable future. The business environment we had then has gone for good. There has been quite a number of startups that are doing well and our start up is working with a number of these. In the last 12 months we have exceeded our revenue forecasts for the next 5 years and have this year employed 11 new staff members. One of our customers in the last year has seen growth in revenue of in excess of 40% due to changing their business model.

To use the line wrongly assigned to Albert Einstein, that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, and by that I mean if sunset businesses want to survive in the new world they must adapt and not trying to return to 2019.

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#2811018 11-Nov-2021 10:47

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

Nowhere will be green - infact I'd be genuinely surprised if anywhere went to green before the 2nd half of 2022.

The green light: Some isolated community transmission

The green light is for when Covid-19 spread is isolated, with hospitalisations at a manageable level.

That applies outside of Auckland, including Waikato and Northland. SI would be green

The orange light: More risk of serious community transmission

The orange light is intended for use when there is some community transmission of Covid-19, and it is putting some pressure on the healthcare system – but not enough to overwhelm it

I assume Waikato and Northland are not in this category

Later on when it spreads from Auckland to everywhere, everything will change based on hospital beds, so we will all probably be Red then

The traffic light system can't exist without vaccine passports - but even if you exclude them the South Island couldn't exist at green right now with the other requirements and conditions.

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#2811019 11-Nov-2021 10:47

wellygary:

Bingo, the big thing about the light system is once its rolled out past Auckland the borders vanish,

COVID will spread across the country, everywhere will be Red and Orange, until we are all either Vaccinated or infected..... that's how a virus works

Even at 90% vaxxed, there's still over a million people unprotected. (400K (10%) plus around 600K kids)-

Doing 6-11 kids would mean only around 300K kids left and 400K in the 10% unavxxed)

If we got to 95% (big stretch target) there would still be 200K unvaxxxed adults, ).. at 200 cases a day that's 3 years to get everyone...

Yep, pretty much what I inferred, but I expect it to start of green in many areas, based on the definition

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#2811020 11-Nov-2021 10:49

Your analogy of a video store is a good example of a sunset business, new technology made it redundant.

Businesses failing due to government mandated closures to prevent the spread of a virus is completely different!

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#2811021 11-Nov-2021 10:50

sbiddle:

The traffic light system can't exist without vaccine passports - but even if you exclude them the South Island couldn't exist at green right now with the other requirements and conditions.

The green light: Some isolated community transmission

The green light is for when Covid-19 spread is isolated, with hospitalisations at a manageable level.

Seems fairly clear to me, can you clarify what is in those words that excludes what those words mean?

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#2811023 11-Nov-2021 10:51

GV27:

And the only reason we had a response when we did is because they did what they were meant to do and got tested when they got sick, so I'm not sure what you think that proves.

The fact that other people broke the rules doesn't mean there weren't extremely high profile rule breaches by gangs, seemingly with little consequences. IDK, maybe I'm just racist apparently.

It should be a pretty simple and logical point to get. You cannot know how many non-gang members got tested when they should have. Just because patient zero did what he should have does not mean other non-gang members did, or that it was impossible for a gang member to do the right thing (which may have happened).

The consequences were the same for everyone. Trying to paint gang member breaches as more "high profile" might not mean you're racist but combined with everything else its certainly trending in that direction.

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#2811025 11-Nov-2021 10:58

tdgeek:

wellygary:

Bingo, the big thing about the light system is once its rolled out past Auckland the borders vanish,

COVID will spread across the country, everywhere will be Red and Orange, until we are all either Vaccinated or infected..... that's how a virus works

Even at 90% vaxxed, there's still over a million people unprotected. (400K (10%) plus around 600K kids)-

Doing 6-11 kids would mean only around 300K kids left and 400K in the 10% unavxxed)

If we got to 95% (big stretch target) there would still be 200K unvaxxxed adults, ).. at 200 cases a day that's 3 years to get everyone...

Yep, pretty much what I inferred, but I expect it to start of green in many areas, based on the definition

No one will enter the traffic light system at green. When it was first introduced the government went to great lengths to confirm that Auckland will enter at red once we achieve 90% vaxxed. All other DHBs will enter at orange once they achieve 90% vaxxed. The only way to get to green is to transition through orange. I don't know how long that transition will be for a south island community that doesn't have COVID however.

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#2811026 11-Nov-2021 10:59

arcon:

Trying to paint gang member breaches as more "high profile" might not mean you're racist but combined with everything else its certainly trending in that direction.

"Everything else".

You mind showing your working on this one?

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