2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2811073 11-Nov-2021 12:49

SJB:

Will rapid testing be available before Christmas?

I don't have any problem with double vaxed travelling from red to orange but surely you also need a rapid test to limit spread.

I understand that's not practical for any red/orange/green border within an island but very easy to implement between NI and SI I would have thought.

In earlier posts, it came out that checking if people were vaccinated etc for leaving Auckland by car was unworkable. (As at Christmas time anyway). So given that people will be able to come and go no matter what their status.

If people are allowed out in mass some vaccinated people will spread it as well, it’s just less chance of spread per person.

Without hard borders it will be through out NZ everywhere eventually. Seems to the path being taken.

I’m braced for it, but can see a lot of unhappy people outside Auckland.

I will be unhappy if hospitals get overloaded, but wait and see.

mudguard

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#2811081 11-Nov-2021 13:13

So it's pretty safe to assume if Auckland is allowed out for Christmas, then I'll be working as normal in January? I travel Monday to Friday everywhere so I can't see it being reversed outside of the Christmas period?

I guess we'll know more at the end of month. I usually like to have everything for January booked before I go on leave.

wellygary

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#2811084 11-Nov-2021 13:18

SJB:

I believe a rapid test takes around 15 minutes so taking the test at any road border is not practical unless it is very quiet.

Only if they do Double Vax AND testing as the requirement, I think they will only require vaccination.... which is much more doable...

KrazyKid

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#2811085 11-Nov-2021 13:24

duckDecoy:

Do you (or anyone else here) have a recommendation for where to buy an oximeter they think is reliable?

@duckDecoy

I purchased this one from Amazon.com

Based on this report of testing various consumer brands.
Figured if it was a good brand back in 2016 it probably was a good brand now.

Compared the SpO2 reading to my doctors oximeter and they were the same number for what it is worth.

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#2811087 11-Nov-2021 13:30

wellygary:

Batman:

I bought 2 from Aliexpress at NZD5 each and they arrived in 7 days!

Would you really trust your medical health to a $5 device from Aliexpress!!!!

Umm I know where my doctor bought his from. But no its not the same one as mine.

And I don't plan to isolate alone. What good is it to isolate alone and have the oximeter reading 54 while you're unconscious.

MileHighKiwi

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#2811088 11-Nov-2021 13:32

MikeB4:
MileHighKiwi: Your analogy of a video store is a good example of a sunset business, new technology made it redundant.

Businesses failing due to government mandated closures to prevent the spread of a virus is completely different!

I am not saying that all closures are sunset businesses. Some are, some failed to adapt and some are a result of Covid mitigation. What I am saying that many closures that are being assigned to Covid were closures that were inevitable e.g David Jones in Wellington, a store for days gone by. Now Covid accelerated many of these closures but I put forward that these closures were going to happen in due course. Prior the pandemic commerce was beginning a change cycle that was/is going to be as big a change commercially and socially as the Industrial revolution . E Commerce, climate change, changes in globalisation, changes in trade pacs and alliances all impacting on this change in global commerce. Covid has both accelerated and retarded this change but it has not stopped the overriding change that is taking place. We are not immune to this change and we have to adapt or fade.

I don't care about David Jones failing. E-commerce is changing the way we shop, and NZ is way behind the 8 ball here, and its great some businesses have pivoted to selling online, but what about the hospitality and tourism businesses and other industries that are at the mercy of govt lockdowns and can't just shift their business online. A hairdresser that can't operate due to a lockdown, while their orthodontist neigbour opens, can't cut hair online. Was their business going to fail anyway?

These are the small businesses that matter not multi national department stores.

You showed a real lack of empathy for struggling small business owners particularly in AKL and are trying to shift the conversation to a broader discussion about bricks and morter and death of the high street.

They're different things.

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#2811127 11-Nov-2021 14:16

MileHighKiwi: I don't care about David Jones failing. E-commerce is changing the way we shop, and NZ is way behind the 8 ball here, and its great some businesses have pivoted to selling online, but what about the hospitality and tourism businesses and other industries that are at the mercy of govt lockdowns and can't just shift their business online. A hairdresser that can't operate due to a lockdown, while their orthodontist neigbour opens, can't cut hair online. Was their business going to fail anyway?

These are the small businesses that matter not multi national department stores.

You showed a real lack of empathy for struggling small business owners particularly in AKL and are trying to shift the conversation to a broader discussion about bricks and morter and death of the high street.

They're different things.

For clarity I am a small business owner that started in 2020. I have a lot of empathy for small business owners. To be a business owner the first things you must realise there will good times and bad times and events outside your control. You further have to realise that businesses fail, its a fact of life and one must always be aware of that. Further it is business, it is not personal, things will happen to you that are not about you it is about business.

Without proper analysis It cannot be said these businesses failed purely due to covid. It is probably the final push however one needs to consider the entire financials of the business, What cash flow, debt to asset ratio, contingency preparation etc. It is too simplistic to say it was covid.

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mattwnz

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#2811130 11-Nov-2021 14:26

You would think they would have worked out a safe way to do haircuts. I recall a year or so ago, in China, they were all in full PPE and doing them outside. Often haircuts can be done quickly.

ezbee

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#2811131 11-Nov-2021 14:30

mattwnz:

You would think they would have worked out a safe way to do haircuts. I recall a year or so ago, in China, they were all in full PPE and doing them outside. Often haircuts can be done quickly.

There were those things that you could attach to a vacuum cleaner years ago.

Probably go much better with the shear power of a Dyson. ?

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#2811136 11-Nov-2021 14:44

MikeB4:

It is too simplistic to say it was covid.

Then stop saying it.

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#2811140 11-Nov-2021 14:59

ezbee:

mattwnz:

You would think they would have worked out a safe way to do haircuts. I recall a year or so ago, in China, they were all in full PPE and doing them outside. Often haircuts can be done quickly.

There were those things that you could attach to a vacuum cleaner years ago.

Probably go much better with the shear power of a Dyson. ?

You mean the Suck Kut :)

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#2811143 11-Nov-2021 15:00

GV27:

Then stop saying it.

Cherry pick then completely miss the point. Good grief.

mattwnz

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#2811146 11-Nov-2021 15:03

rugrat:

SJB:

Will rapid testing be available before Christmas?

I don't have any problem with double vaxed travelling from red to orange but surely you also need a rapid test to limit spread.

I understand that's not practical for any red/orange/green border within an island but very easy to implement between NI and SI I would have thought.

In earlier posts, it came out that checking if people were vaccinated etc for leaving Auckland by car was unworkable. (As at Christmas time anyway). So given that people will be able to come and go no matter what their status.

If people are allowed out in mass some vaccinated people will spread it as well, it’s just less chance of spread per person.

Without hard borders it will be through out NZ everywhere eventually. Seems to the path being taken.

I’m braced for it, but can see a lot of unhappy people outside Auckland.

I will be unhappy if hospitals get overloaded, but wait and see.

What is crazy IMO currently is that unvaxxed can now go shopping in normal retail stores. Yet once the new traffic light system comes in, they can't apart from essential shops. Yet they are wanting to reduce the spread now while the vaccination rates aren't high enough. Germany is a big worry IMO as they have a higher percentage of people fully vaccinated than NZ yet they are seeing a big growth in cases which could lead to another lockdown. But their ICU capacity is likely a lot better than NZs. NZs first dose is only slightly higher than Germanys. Also about 1/2 of people in hospital in NZ are vaccinated which I thought sounded high. Of the unvaccinated , some are unable to be due to age, which I am guessing are people under 12, as can't anyone over 12 be vaccinated?

GV27

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#2811151 11-Nov-2021 15:11

MikeB4:

Cherry pick then completely miss the point. Good grief.

I can assure I'm not the one missing the point.

Given that you've now walked-back on the idea that businesses that failed were going to fail anyway and Covid just sped the process up, it sounds like you might be slowly getting it though.

vexxxboy

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#2811153 11-Nov-2021 15:14

mattwnz:

What is crazy IMO currently is that unvaxxed can now go shopping in normal retail stores. Yet once the new traffic light system comes in, they can't apart from essential shops. Yet they are wanting to reduce the spread now while the vaccination rates aren't high enough. Germany is a big worry IMO as they have a higher percentage of people fully vaccinated than NZ yet they are seeing a big growth in cases which could lead to another lockdown. But their ICU capacity is likely a lot better than NZs. NZs first dose is only slightly higher than Germanys. Also about 1/2 of people in hospital in NZ are vaccinated which I thought sounded high. Of the unvaccinated , some are unable to be due to age, which I am guessing are people under 12, as can't anyone over 12 be vaccinated?

Germany is only at 67% fully vaccinated, UK is worse at around 65% we are so much better and we never had the cases that both countries had before leaving Lockdown, dont compare NZ to most European countries or even the USA

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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