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  #2816972 22-Nov-2021 11:13
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OK, pulled the Auckland case numbers from the recent Daily Media Releases, Not prefect, but good enough - definitely see that Auckland has reached a plateau recently (maybe even a peak?).

 

Be interesting to see if this continues into a decline with the easing of restrictions to level 3.2 and retail opening.
Be nice to see a small decline before the traffic light system kicks in.

 




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  #2816979 22-Nov-2021 11:25
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Theres one hurdle I can't seem to jump.

 

Once upon a time. Nearly every border case we had, was imported from high transference locations. India, UAE, Singapore, US, Russian regions. You could almost put bets on it.

 

We figured. It was a given. Lots of people walking infected. Higher chance of it arriving. Naturally that course has all but dried up with more freight than people arriving these days and a scaled back entry system. Vaccinations, Requirements to travel and more astute persons taking care.

 

Meanwhile domestically. Yesterdays Hawkes Bay and Canterbury cases. The prior canterbury cases to that, The Wellington region case. Basically most the popping up ones outside the known northern clusters now. Have a common line in the release - "recently visited Auckland" and for only 3-5 days. 

 

Sure, there may be a planeload at a time now departing than previous so against those, 1 or 2 could be insignificant really (a few travelling people and on tv last week mentioned outbound flights are not nearly as empty as they once were..)

 

But to me, comparing to the previous importation cases from high risk areas with reasonable daily travellers. That line in itself is possibly more a reflection on what the daily cases aren't saying. More than are?


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  #2816996 22-Nov-2021 11:53
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wellygary:

 

Daily case numbers, and more interestingly  the 3 day case average is getting very unclear,...

 

The weekly Peak-Trough pattern has stalled and become much less pronounced ,... Could be close to peaking (last weekend was 176 and 207... this weekend was 172 and 149) .... next 3-4 days will be very telling 

 

 

 

Yes, indeed.

 

When viewed on a log scale (Which I feel is appropriate due to the exponential nature of viral outbreaks), the curve has been concave down for some weeks. (Ignore the projection, it is just extrapolating current estimated R0 in the model):

 

 

If the trend of decreasing Re-production number continues we should soon have a reproduction number less than 1, which would be awesome.

 

From then on, it will be a race between community immunity including "natural, virus derived immunity" and vaccination (considering the impact of additional 1st & 2nd doses, boosters, and decay in protection over time).

 

Likely Auckland already has it's R0 below 1, despite loosening restrictions, and declining compliance.

 

 

 

We have actually done brilliantly with vaccination in a short time. Currently sitting on 77% of total population with a first dose (MOH numbers). For comparison Germany, Austria, Israel are sitting at 69 or 70% (NY times). And we are still vaccinating at around 6000 first doses a day. If we can hold that number we will pick up an extra percentage point every 8.5 days on our total population numbers. Of course going to be very challenging to keep the numbers up as the remaining vaccinated may be increasingly hard to reach. Hopefully the vaccine pass introduction, and Auckland opening date will create a lot of urgency, and drive up the numbers. With a decent chunk of the country going into Red, a lot of stuff is going to become unavailable to the unvaccinated.

 

 

 

 

 

In terms of accuracy of the daily case numbers. I accept that we will not be finding every case, but what matters for the trend analysis is if we are missing the same proportion of cases. If we are finding half and missing half, then the trend analysis is still valid.

 

We are still doing a lot of testing

 

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/testing-covid-19

 

 

 

And I haven't seen a spike in any other metric (i.e. hospital admissions) to suggest that there is massive growth in undetected cases.

 

 

 

Of course there is sum risk that the virus gets into and cuts through a big chunk of un vaccinated (murapara or similar), which breaks the current trend.

 

 

Really impressive intel folks. One thing we can say with some confidence, is that the outbreak has been managed at a level that is world class, of course this is all based off what is behind us as opposed to what is to come, however R Naughts help there.

 

Even if our daily cases have not plateaued, you cannot say that we have failed to flatten the curve (remember that old lingo, when flattening the curve against the Wuhan Flu was a thing).

 

If I recall correctly we have a million ish virgin bodies out there unvaccinated? therefore natural immunity, even with missed cases, cannot really be a thing that we can count on. Conversely, in countries where there has been large outbreaks, that have seen declines in cases after vaccine roll outs, can intuitively make some projections about natural immunity which may add up.

 

However our particular story in all of this has seen a proliferation of cases in specific groups, people ignoring restrictions, drive this thing, so perhaps they will reach some kind of herd immunity of idiots, by virtue of their behavior ensuring they are added to the immunity pile first.

 

I have not seen a graph for that, the worst behaved axis.

 

The point I am trying to make, is that this hold on cases seems to be the marrying of vaccines and restrictions in unison on a rarely seen scale (Victoria mirrored our outbreak until the restrictions side was blown apart by mass protest, infected protestors, infected essential workers, people ignoring restrictions....all leading to overwhelming of their vaccine roll out which was close to ours).

 

I am hoping if we are forced to watch the people of Murupara and or similar groups suffer, largely due to misinformation, some of it quite sinister (coming from health professionals) that we see vaccine rates sky rocket in all of these vulnerable communities.

 

 

 

 





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  #2816997 22-Nov-2021 11:57
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Oblivian:

 

Theres one hurdle I can't seem to jump.

 

Once upon a time. Nearly every border case we had, was imported from high transference locations. India, UAE, Singapore, US, Russian regions. You could almost put bets on it.

 

We figured. It was a given. Lots of people walking infected. Higher chance of it arriving. Naturally that course has all but dried up with more freight than people arriving these days and a scaled back entry system. Vaccinations, Requirements to travel and more astute persons taking care.

 

Meanwhile domestically. Yesterdays Hawkes Bay and Canterbury cases. The prior canterbury cases to that, The Wellington region case. Basically most the popping up ones outside the known northern clusters now. Have a common line in the release - "recently visited Auckland" and for only 3-5 days. 

 

Sure, there may be a planeload at a time now departing than previous so against those, 1 or 2 could be insignificant really (a few travelling people and on tv last week mentioned outbound flights are not nearly as empty as they once were..)

 

But to me, comparing to the previous importation cases from high risk areas with reasonable daily travellers. That line in itself is possibly more a reflection on what the daily cases aren't saying. More than are?

 

 

From the Cops on Friday ....There are thousands of people leaving Auckland every day 

 

"30,284 vehicles were processed at the checkpoints yesterday with 138 of those vehicles being turned around."

 

https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/compliance-update-19-november

 

 


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  #2817033 22-Nov-2021 13:25
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Vaccination stats are out. Still waiting for 1 pm release.

 

 

 

Sundays generally have low numbers, but sadly I think this sets are record. Under 10k doses total and roughly 3k first doses.

 

 

Auckland DHB is now sitting at 95.6% of elegiacal with a first dose which is very impressive. (MOH just shows as >95% - assume to avoid issues around the population numbers they are using as 100% is approached).


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  #2817293 22-Nov-2021 21:17
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Ive been looking on the covid-19 website but i cant see to find anything.

 

What is the definition of a gym?

 

i watched the MOH presentation of the vaccine passport that presented for the fitness industry where they clearly started what a gym is but i cant find it written anywhere.


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  #2817375 23-Nov-2021 01:14
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Looks like everyone will have to fend for themself with regard to oximeters. Time to look at the Oximeter thread to see what to buy etc.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/confusion-from-government-over-taking-the-pulse-for-covid-19/ar-AAQY6uP

 

 

 

"Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said not every single Covid-positive household gets one, but the Ministry of Health said they do - while Health Minister Andrew Little said they don't necessarily, and Grant Robertson said everyone does."

 

 

 

I bought one for my Ex and my kids to use. She is sending it back to me, since her work has announced they are issuing their health staff with free ones, she works for a large private healthcare group.

 

Doctor Harwood in that article who is attached to Papakura Marae, sees over twenty Covid patients in home because the In home care plan was too swamped to pick them up in the first days of them learning their diagnosis.

 

This is on top of her full time job, she does it because those people could be toast without her charity. I know the area well, I grew up around the corner from the Marae in that hood.

 

High and complex needs.

 

Rather like contact tracing when that was introduced, there will need to be a massive scale up of monitoring if cases grow, where they will find the staffing resources I do not know.

 

It worries me a lot.

 

What I need to do is cut off, block it out, think about people being responsible for their choices ultimately, however I am not hard wired that way. It is not something in my make up.

 

The good news is, the Largest Polynesian city in the world has achieved ninety percent vaccination first jab, of its eligible population, that is a historic achievement for ethnographic scientific and social phenomena.

 

Many academic papers around the world will cite the South Auckland communities pandemic management as a model of health care for indigenous and ethnic groups the world over.

 

Take a bow counties Manukau health and the Maori and Pasifika providers.

 

 

 

 





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  #2817409 23-Nov-2021 07:37
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The best covid news I've read, like ever! After peaking at 25k per day recently cases have dropped off a cliff and Japan just had its first day without a covid death in 18 months. Promising signs.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/delta-variant-self-destruction-theory/

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  #2817413 23-Nov-2021 07:57
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MileHighKiwi: The best covid news I've read, like ever! After peaking at 25k per day recently cases have dropped off a cliff and Japan just had its first day without a covid death in 18 months. Promising signs.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/delta-variant-self-destruction-theory/

 

Right from the start there has always been something unique about many countries and low case numbers that science has been unable to explain. It's been assumed since the start of the pandemic that there was something in the way of natural immunity, and we're starting to learn a lot more about APOBEC3A. There is pretty clearly also something unique happening in parts of Africa, where there is some speculation some natural immunity to malaria has been the key to low case numbers.

 

I just had to use my Google skills to hunt down a paper I read months ago from 2018 which was quite interesting. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24448-2

 

I suspect going forward that this pandemic is actually going to result in some pretty significant gains in medicine and treatments.

 

 


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  #2817455 23-Nov-2021 09:26
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I read this morning that the authentication app for reading Covid certificates won't read international codes when the border opens.

And that we have a separate code for international travel that can be read overseas.

I am surely not the only person wondering why we didn't just use the international codes and an app that reads them....





 
 
 

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  #2817458 23-Nov-2021 09:30
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MileHighKiwi: The best covid news I've read, like ever! After peaking at 25k per day recently cases have dropped off a cliff and Japan just had its first day without a covid death in 18 months. Promising signs.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/delta-variant-self-destruction-theory/


Right from the start there has always been something unique about many countries and low case numbers that science has been unable to explain. It's been assumed since the start of the pandemic that there was something in the way of natural immunity, and we're starting to learn a lot more about APOBEC3A. There is pretty clearly also something unique happening in parts of Africa, where there is some speculation some natural immunity to malaria has been the key to low case numbers.


I just had to use my Google skills to hunt down a paper I read months ago from 2018 which was quite interesting. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24448-2


I suspect going forward that this pandemic is actually going to result in some pretty significant gains in medicine and treatments.


 



I have a theory. In India they let it rip without any useful mitigation measures. Covid burnt itself out presumably infected everyone and those who didn't make it didn't and those who did did, and it burnt out.

Maybe the same happened in Japan?

I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, just a theory.

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  #2817475 23-Nov-2021 10:17
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As of 18th November.
2.6 million children under 12 have received their first vaccine dose
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/18/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/

 

I did hear this is now over 3 million.
The Pfizer 4K trial with the low 1/3 dose gave milder and less side effects in 5-11year olds.
We should see more information as large numbers progress to 2nd dose over next month or so.


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  #2817477 23-Nov-2021 10:21
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Geektastic: I read this morning that the authentication app for reading Covid certificates won't read international codes when the border opens.

And that we have a separate code for international travel that can be read overseas.

I am surely not the only person wondering why we didn't just use the international codes and an app that reads them....

 

Control over the issuing certificate/key and ability to revoke it comes to mind. (and where the data about you is stored)

 

International ones follow EU standard. Our header has its own NZCP:


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