2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2817901 23-Nov-2021 17:08

Given that proof of vaccination will be a legal requirement to be in some venues with penalties for both patrons and business owners for non-compliance, I would expect that prudent businesses will cover the risk by requiring a successful QR scan and compare against the plaintext. I await the clarification with bated breath.

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#2818033 23-Nov-2021 18:55

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/us-issues-do-not-travel-covid-19-warning-germany-denmark-2331721

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/22/europe/romania-covid-19-vaccine-skepticism-intl-cmd/index.html

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Germans will be "vaccinated, cured or dead" by winter end, says health minister-

Australia will allow fully-vaccinated international students and skilled workers into parts of the country without needing to apply for a federal travel exemption, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced Monday.

Under the new rules, vaccinated tourists from Japan and South Korea will also be allowed to visit Australia from December 1.

Both groups will still need to comply with the quarantine measures set out by different states and territories.-

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/covid-news-live-11-22-2021-intl/h_f19cb0ab99f5f44403ca45188191d909

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#2818037 23-Nov-2021 19:12

So we haven't had a single fully vaccinated arrival into NZ since August test positive for Covid (there have been 3 positive cases, all in the unvaccinated). Really shows how broken the concept of continuing MIQ for all arrivals is going to be from mid December.

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#2818039 23-Nov-2021 19:18

sbiddle:
So we haven't had a single fully vaccinated arrival into NZ since August test positive for Covid (there have been 3 positive cases, all in the unvaccinated). Really shows how broken the concept of continuing MIQ for all arrivals is going to be from mid December.

As Manuel on Fawlty Towers would say - Keh?

There are (as at 0900 this morning), 26 active cases at the border. Where are you getting 3 from, let alone 3 since August?

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#2818040 23-Nov-2021 19:21

sbiddle:

So we haven't had a single fully vaccinated arrival into NZ since August test positive for Covid (there have been 3 positive cases, all in the unvaccinated). Really shows how broken the concept of continuing MIQ for all arrivals is going to be from mid December.

as i have said, auckland was kept fenced up to stop leak into rest of the country. now the rest of the country have been given ample time to get vaccinated, auckland will open. soon the covid will be all over the country.

MIQ was set up to stop leak all over the country. so when covid is all over the country MIQ will no longer have a purpose.

hopefully someone in charge understands this simple concept.

again, this does mean bad news for hospitals unfortunately.

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#2818045 23-Nov-2021 19:31

Ge0rge:
sbiddle:

So we haven't had a single fully vaccinated arrival into NZ since August test positive for Covid (there have been 3 positive cases, all in the unvaccinated). Really shows how broken the concept of continuing MIQ for all arrivals is going to be from mid December.

As Manuel on Fawlty Towers would say - Keh?

There are (as at 0900 this morning), 26 active cases at the border. Where are you getting 3 from, let alone 3 since August?

Sorry didn't quite finish my sentence before clicking post! Meant 3 from Australia since August, not all arrivals.

The fact TT travel is not going to resume this year is just unbelievably sad for everybody who has friends and family spread across both countries. It's really clear now it's politics put ahead of true risk assessments.

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#2818046 23-Nov-2021 19:42

Batman:
apparently virus mutated itself into extinction https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/Q37746Q7NJS3W4XXTQYC4BGDOA/

Speaking colloquially as the article does, this is a theory. It will remain a theory until more evidence is available and examined.

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#2818062 23-Nov-2021 20:22

At every traffic light colour, the Government has mandated vaccinations for staff working at businesses that require vaccine passes from customers – hospitality, events, gatherings, gyms and close-contact businesses.

To continue working in these spaces, staff will need to get their first vaccination by December 3, when the new framework rolls out. They must be fully vaccinated by January 17 to keep working.

So would this mean that staff that work in Cafes, Hair Salons etc have to have their first jab by the 3rd December yet the customers have to have both jabs to enter?

My understanding was both staff and customers have to be fully vaccinated by the time the traffic light system starts.

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#2818083 23-Nov-2021 21:20

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/experimental-chewing-gum-may-reduce-virus-spread-booster-shot-protection-may-be-2021-11-22/

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#2818134 24-Nov-2021 07:17

HelloThere:

So would this mean that staff that work in Cafes, Hair Salons etc have to have their first jab by the 3rd December yet the customers have to have both jabs to enter?

My understanding was both staff and customers have to be fully vaccinated by the time the traffic light system starts.

That's what I thought too. Ive read that first jab gives you about 20% effectiveness, and that wont happen immediately if you get jabbed on 3 Dec. Even the 2nd jab 3 weeks away takes another 2 to get to full noise. OTOH it gets jabs done quicker, and there are plenty of unjabbed people out there on 3 Dec (anti vaxxers, exempts and kids under 12) so its "probably" not a major issue. 3 Dec is a nudge I suspect

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#2818200 24-Nov-2021 08:40

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What “international” one? There is no such thing.

There would have been if Facebook or Google set it up, lets face it, they have the data anyway and clearly the technical expertise to produce something on a global scale.......

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#2818211 24-Nov-2021 08:58

Trying to book in a haircut for the weekend, I think my barber is going to be busy!

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#2818323 24-Nov-2021 10:17

surfisup1000:

Who do you call to talk about the auckland border and crossing it?

I can't find a number anywhere, my son is getting a covid test every day but not getting the results back within 72 hours.

is he going to the same place each time?

i can understand not getting 1 resul back but multiple there is a failing in the system somewhere.

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#2818468 24-Nov-2021 13:46

ezbee:

Batman:

apparently virus mutated itself into extinction https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-new-research-suggests-delta-strain-drove-itself-to-extinction-in-japan/Q37746Q7NJS3W4XXTQYC4BGDOA/

Its a pity that many other places are using their freedums to keep selection process for fitter virus going.

Interesting comment below is that Delta is more like 'original' than Beta, thus existing vaccines being reasonably effective against it.
So oxford consider that work on Beta for new version of vaccine still worthwhile just in case.
Plus a review of why MERS vaccine did not go far, and they could not even get support to vaccinate camels.

Grumpy old virologist interviews volcanologist Sarah Gilbert, the Oxford side of Oxford AstraZeneca.
First 30min...

Professor Sarah Gilbert
Saïd Professorship of Vaccinology, Jenner Institute & Nuffield Department of Clinical Medicine
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-813/

It would be nice, here's hoping, though behaviors of host is still a wildcard factor.

I like what you say at the end about human behavior. We saw this with the sentinel case when NZ almost eradicated Delta....a Woman self discharges from Middlemore, is later found not at home, she is at the Mongrel mob pad in Takanini...the rest they say is history....from there the virus traveled the well worn organized drug routes to what we live with now.

You can imagine a bunch of experts sitting around furiously making a bespoke eradication plan in the future....they will need a footnote about un reachable individuals and groups (they do this already, I am just waxing lyrical here).

The Japanese situation is compelling, natural selection vs an expert throwing a hypothesis dart at the board and hoping he scores a scientific announcement first.

There are now two ecosystems throwing up odd results, the continent of Africa and Japan. Watch this space I suppose. As always, stay tuned.

Just keep swimming...

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#2818470 24-Nov-2021 13:50

So onto the next phase we go, relative openness to entry with the lions share of safety monitoring placed on immunity levels, public trust, and testing.

What could go wrong?

I Jest, it is a good day and well done to all that have got us to this point where living and thriving in a pandemic context is happening. Soon people will struggle to find real issues to complain about. I emphasize the real.

Just keep swimming...

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