2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2841018 31-Dec-2021 21:39

Antivaxxers and sovereign citizens involved in fire at doors of Canberra's old parliament house:

Canberra Times: First Nations leaders have condemned protests outside Parliament House, following a devastating fire which has damaged the north facade.

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#2841030 31-Dec-2021 22:05

kyhwana2:

tbh in wellington outside you don't need a mask, that wind wisks all the covid away XD

Does it what, I remember a fair few chilly southerlies coming across Cook Strait when I lived in Kilbirnie 😀

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#2841060 31-Dec-2021 23:01

quickymart:
kyhwana2:

tbh in wellington outside you don't need a mask, that wind wisks all the covid away XD

Does it what, I remember a fair few chilly southerlies coming across Cook Strait when I lived in Kilbirnie 😀

Yes but tomorrow we have no wind, a beautiful sunny day for the New Year and as they say. 'You can’t beat Wellington on a good day.' Covid be damned.

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#2841066 31-Dec-2021 23:22

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#2841100 1-Jan-2022 03:04

Sup:

Handle9:

So what is your alternative to living with Covid? It can’t be eliminated.
Can I take a go at this?

Very clearly there needs to be global coordination, now before we roll our eyes I am going to make a list of how to defeat the pandemic despite the likelihood of failure and the total disconnection from the world we actually live in.

Call this a Matrix way of beating Covid, so this could actually be within our grasp but perhaps we are a selfish and greedy organism that is a lot dumber than we like to see ourselves.

Ok....so you first need to use the WHO for what it was created for, you would need to start following WHO directives.

This would mean countries in the developed world spending the kinds of money they throw away on defence budgets annually on attacking the virus.

So this means slowing the rate of mutation, so that we end up fighting a known enemy. We are talking a mass roll out of vaccines, US UK CHINA RUSSIA and the EU targeting the developing world for vaccine coverage. Offer cash and or food incentives to get people in the likes of Africa vaccinated.

Introduce waivers for patents. Boost India's capability as the worlds pharmacy to produce Therapeutics and Vaccines in the billions.

Mandate Covid Vaccines the world over. Do so with fines and or detention and compulsory jabbing.

The most controversial idea in my plan...but one that the whole world would agree with if omicron killed like MERS so hello...skip straight to the lets get ahead of this stage and stop waiting for an excuse to do what we all know needs to be done.

The first world will need to spend even more money, in a coordinated way, to close borders, to use an aggressive elimination response....and to therefore crush the virus across massive land masses with multiple shared borders.

So in essence it is not true that we cannot defeat Covid, it is true that we do not have the priorities or the intelligence to do what is already available to us.

You cold literally take the NZ Covid response and apply it to a WHO context and use mandates to end the pandemic.

Thereafter, back in the real world...we wait for the one hundred million killer to change human thinking and go straight to the obvious solution.

You are dreaming if you think COVID can be eliminated globally. Even if it was possible in developed economies emerging economies make that impossible. A huge percentage of the world doesn't have enough to eat let alone worry about covid.

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#2841180 1-Jan-2022 08:33

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/31/germany-buoyed-by-data-from-abroad-amid-omicron-spread

Germany’s leading coronavirus expert has expressed optimism that his country could expect a “relatively normal” winter in 2022....

.. Christian Drosten, who heads the institute of virology at Berlin’s Charité hospital, said on Friday that data from other countries suggesting Omicron infections were milder could take the pandemic into an “endemic situation” more comparable to a common cold or flu virus.

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#2841187 1-Jan-2022 08:43

Sup:Can I take a go at this?

Very clearly there needs to be global coordination

If EVERY country told the people that in one week (so they can grocery up) all countries go into a 4 week lockdown. No travel of any sort. Armed forces/Police are mobilised to manage hospital travel. Given that the world has been in and out of lockdown forever, one month to stamp it out, seems an efficient choice.

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#2841189 1-Jan-2022 08:45

Handle9:

You are dreaming if you think COVID can be eliminated globally. Even if it was possible in developed economies emerging economies make that impossible. A huge percentage of the world doesn't have enough to eat let alone worry about covid.

Yes, but his options are based on a potential solution, if everyone coordinated. Its just a theory, not what we could do now as there is no global will.

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#2841190 1-Jan-2022 08:47

tdgeek:

If EVERY country told the people that in one week (so they can grocery up) all countries go into a 4 week lockdown. No travel of any sort. Armed forces/Police are mobilised to manage hospital travel. Given that the world has been in and out of lockdown forever, one month to stamp it out, seems an efficient choice.

That is impossible in a world where the collective intelligence of its "leaders" is less than that of a demented reef fish.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2841191 1-Jan-2022 08:51

It is easy to be glib about living with Covid as some are here when Covid is not a death sentence.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2841194 1-Jan-2022 08:58

MikeB4:

tdgeek:

If EVERY country told the people that in one week (so they can grocery up) all countries go into a 4 week lockdown. No travel of any sort. Armed forces/Police are mobilised to manage hospital travel. Given that the world has been in and out of lockdown forever, one month to stamp it out, seems an efficient choice.

That is impossible in a world where the collective intelligence of its "leaders" is less than that of a demented reef fish.

100%. But as with Sup's post, its what could happen if it was globally coordinated, just a theory.

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#2841195 1-Jan-2022 09:01

I would work as the virus cannot board a plane by itself or swim an ocean.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2841196 1-Jan-2022 09:01

MikeB4:

It is easy to be glib about living with Covid as some are here when Covid is not a death sentence.

Again, 100%, but there appears to be no choice. Live with it, OR spend years in lockdown, where you can only walk in a park or go to New World. Cancel all international travel. Its a rock and a hard place.

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#2841220 1-Jan-2022 09:58

tdgeek:
Handle9:

You are dreaming if you think COVID can be eliminated globally. Even if it was possible in developed economies emerging economies make that impossible. A huge percentage of the world doesn't have enough to eat let alone worry about covid.

Yes, but his options are based on a potential solution, if everyone coordinated. Its just a theory, not what we could do now as there is no global will.

It’s a pipe dream not a solution.

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#2841221 1-Jan-2022 09:59

MikeB4:
It is easy to be glib about living with Covid as some are here when Covid is not a death sentence.

What is your solution?

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