2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2851471 16-Jan-2022 14:55

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wow northland is not wanting to get vaccinated or what
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

89% first dose cannot be described as "not wanting to get vaccinated".

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#2851483 16-Jan-2022 15:34

if you look at the cumulative graph, it's almost like northland is not increasing. or is it

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#2851488 16-Jan-2022 16:06

Sure northland is lagging behind other regions, But 89% of eligable (on MOH numbers) at least partially vaccinated is actually damb impressive for our worst region. Only 1426 doses left to break the 90% threshold.

I wouldn't read anything into that graph. North-land is just a few pixels high, not enough to see small changes.

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#2851561 16-Jan-2022 17:27

Unfortunately Northland has at least three reported prominent medical antivaxx figures. There were two mentioned who are GPs working in Whangarei, and the American former Pharmacist.

In Regional New Zealand the bush telegraph has more power than the official information network. In the age of the the internet and social media, one scare monger from a Doctor you like.....will spread like wild fire among these communities.

It is nothing like big Urban centers. In regional NZ everyone is connected, related, or both.

So the damage done there is quite profound.

The same is true of the BOP, one bad egg in Murupara sends ripples among an entire high Maori populace right around the lakes and the coast...thanks to Facebook and other platforms.

So again we see how these people operating in indigenous communities have had a profound and lasting negative impact to the roll out.

Compare that to the rates of uptake in Auckland and other places, where such voices are either silenced rappidly or lost in the noise.

We are in an information war and these people are walking bio hazards.

Just keep swimming...

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#2851810 16-Jan-2022 23:03

cddt:

I have had two doses, but am hesitating on the third since I had several days of chest pain and heart palpitations after the second dose. I received the dose immediately before the August lockdown, so when I had these symptoms we were in the first days of lockdown, I couldn't get in to see the GP, and was under a huge amount of pressure at work and home, so I was unable to get it assessed (have since left that terrible job). Fortunately it cleared up after about two weeks, but I am extremely reluctant to go through that again.

My brother (overseas) just had his third dose and has also suffered severe chest pains for several days - also wasn't able to get assessed due to being in the middle of the omicron wave and all healthcare services overwhelmed.

I am far from an anti-vaxxer (registered for this one as soon as I was eligible, always pay extra to get unfunded vaccinations for my children, always get flu jab), but am struggling to find guidance or reassurance in my situation.

As SUP mentioned, you would be best to seek advice from a qualified medical practitioner.

But my (completely unqualified take) is as follows:

Reality is that Omicron will get loose in NZ in the next few weeks, and cut through the bulk of NZ's population in a couple of months.

As such, you decision is essentially picking the the lesser evil of: - the risk of facing omicron with two vaccine doses, or the risk of facing omicron with two doses plus booster, plus any risk of the booster itself.

While two dose of the vaccine are still good at preventing hospitalization, stories from people who have caught omicron seem to indicate that people with 2 doses get sicker than those with boosters (who have barely any symptoms).

Confusingly the Ministry of health website contains conflicting information on if the AstraZeneca vaccine is an option for as a booster dose. But this is something you could poetically explore with a doctor.

I think there is also an option of having your vaccination done in a hospital under heightened supervision, which your doctor could evaluate your suitability for.

Not quite sure what prevented access to your GP when you had those symptoms. Most GP's operated right through level 4 for that kind of stuff. As did hospitals and urgent care centers.

Given what we know now, you if you had those side effects again, you would be best advised to seek medical help.

A factor for consideration is also that NZ's medical system is currently not overwhelmed, something that could happen in our omicron wave.

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#2851814 16-Jan-2022 23:33

GV27:

So another Omi incursion into Auckland via MIQ? Just... fantastic stuff.

It's was always just a matter of time. Omicron is so contagious and number of cases arriving are so high, a single ring MIQ system (I.e. not having MIQ workers also in isolation) was never going to keep it out for an extended period.

Large number of MIQ facilities (and international Air / Sea ports) in Auckland, meant it was always going to be the most likely place.

But if this event dose seed NZ's omicron wave (with the places of interest listed it seems likely, if the person was contagious at the time), the timing is actually pretty good (noting an omicron wave will take at least a mount to ramp up):

We have largely got through the highly social & traveling part's of December & January.
We are now well into our booster vaccine program (742,000 done so far), with plenty of doses in freezers (cira 2.4m) to handle any omicron induced rush (and we have proven we can deliver cira 130k doses in a day with super Saturday).
We have taken delivery of cira 500k kiddy vaccines, and tomorrow is the start day for the 5-11 age group.
We have stock of 3.5m Rapid Antigen tests, and 20m more on order (over 6 months). I thing we should have more, but it is at lease enough to provide a tool to use when our PCR test system gets overwhelmed.
We still have a decent amount of summer to run, meaning hospital load will be lighter than it would be in winter respiratory disease season.

ezbee:

I suppose in MIQ the higher the density of cases the bigger the viral plumes stalking the halls.

At least the MIQ worker 'should' be triple vaccinated by now so unlikely to be spready ?

Taiwan has upped its measures to completing testing at airport to filter out immediate cases.
Before transfer to more secure isolation or hotel isolation where you get the day 3 tests etc.

I note in the RNZ data visualizations about 3/4 down the page.
Of International arrivals 16.52% are not vaccinated.
We presume all cases at the border are fully vaccinated, but that is not how its is.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers

Would 16.52% all be children, only 6.7% are exempt from testing before travel, hopefully no adults in that number ?
Or a mix given we have sports stars, entertainers and special people ?

I understand that boosters are optional for MIQ workers:

https://www.miq.govt.nz/about/media-centre/common-topics-for-media-questions/staff-vaccination/

But would expect uptake to be high.

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#2851818 17-Jan-2022 00:23

Scott3:
I understand that boosters are optional for MIQ workers:

https://www.miq.govt.nz/about/media-centre/common-topics-for-media-questions/staff-vaccination/

But would expect uptake to be high.

Watch this space, and very soon too.

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#2851826 17-Jan-2022 07:07

@Scott3:

Confusingly the Ministry of health website contains conflicting information on if the AstraZeneca vaccine is an option for as a booster dose. But this is something you could poetically explore with a doctor.

I booked my booster earlier today (the website is now booking on four-month cycle) and AstraZeneca was an option.

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#2851829 17-Jan-2022 07:34

I need to wait to the end of the month to get mine, which makes sense (dose 2 was at the end of September).

Are walk-ins possible for boosters?

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#2851841 17-Jan-2022 08:25

Yes but they will check dates.

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#2851927 17-Jan-2022 09:56

Looks like the UK have peaked... if the trend continues its about a 5-6 week spike

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/encouraging-signs-plan-b-covid-measures-may-soon-be-lifted-in-england

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

Reports of NSW possibly having peaked too?...

But still a large number of deaths still to come in the next couple of weeks in both cases

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#2851987 17-Jan-2022 10:13

wellygary:

Looks like the UK have peaked... if the trend continues its about a 5-6 week spike

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/16/encouraging-signs-plan-b-covid-measures-may-soon-be-lifted-in-england

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

Reports of NSW possibly having peaked too?...

But still a large number of deaths still to come in the next couple of weeks in both cases

That's good news in terms of the length of the peak. Let's hope there's only one wave of Omicron and that's it. It's as if Omicron does all of its infecting in one big hit rather than multiple waves. Well, here's hoping at least!

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#2852233 17-Jan-2022 12:21

PM is speaking. from past experience, we got an outbreak within 2 days - 2 weeks after such an event .... fingers crossed ... i'm not sure i'm ready for Omicron

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#2852234 17-Jan-2022 12:23

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/covid-19-brain-tamaki-expects-to-be-arrested-for-breaching-bail-conditions.html

Brian Tamaki is arrested for breaching bail conditions and attending antivaxx protests, while on a live on a Facebook stream with his followers.

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#2852284 17-Jan-2022 14:43

Hard to be sure due to issues around testing, but there is a possibility that NSW's omicron wave has peaked as well.

Biggest day for positive PCR test results was 8th Jan with 45,098 (RAT's not counted at that stage). Today's numbers were 17,646 PCR + 11,858 RAT (Some historic).

Hospital numbers are still growing, but are not following an exponential trend. Biggest day of hospital increases was 166 back on the 2nd of Jan.

NSW healthcare load and daily changes:

But of course the Numbers of deaths (17 today) in NSW provides a strong incentive for us to take a different route with Omicron.

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