2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2891295 24-Mar-2022 11:49

In case anyone missed it, the US Covid-19 death count by Worldometers rolled over the 1m mark yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

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#2891387 24-Mar-2022 13:35

DS248:

In case anyone missed it, the US Covid-19 death count by Worldometers rolled over the 1m mark yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

if you want to see what vaccinations and strict isolation conditions do to the death rate , look at NZ, 500,000 cases and just over 200 deaths. All countries with 500,000 cases are around 20,000 deaths. our deaths are equal to countries with cases in the low thousands.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2891406 24-Mar-2022 14:50

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And I got it now. Feels like a head cold at the moment, combined with a slight brain fuzz reminiscent of a hangover.

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#2891413 24-Mar-2022 15:10

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#2891420 24-Mar-2022 15:20

vexxxboy:

DS248:

In case anyone missed it, the US Covid-19 death count by Worldometers rolled over the 1m mark yesterday.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

if you want to see what vaccinations and strict isolation conditions do to the death rate , look at NZ, 500,000 cases and just over 200 deaths. All countries with 500,000 cases are around 20,000 deaths. our deaths are equal to countries with cases in the low thousands.

We just need to compare our death rate with Hong Kong where their vaccination rate is low. My concern with NZ is how we are almost acting like the pandemic is over even though we haven't reached teh peak of this wave in much of NZ. There are going to be other variants, and it is likely there will be another wave over winter. But we need to keep vaccinations up and there are lot of people who haven't had boosters, and until they do, they are likely to not be considered fully vaccinated in the future by the MOH. This wave almost seems like a very long plateau than a wave as daily reported cases have been the same for weeks and hospital cases have been rising steadily rather than exploding, and we are at last at double digit daily deaths which are likely to be the norm for a while.

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#2891424 24-Mar-2022 15:22

mattwnz:

My concern with NZ is how we are almost acting like the pandemic is over even though we haven't reached teh peak of this wave in much of NZ. There are going to be other variants, and it is likely there will be another wave over winter. But we need to keep vaccinations up and there are lot of people who haven't had boosters, and until they do, they are likely to not be considered fully vaccinated in the future by the MOH.

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#2891425 24-Mar-2022 15:23

antonknee:

Not surprising scanning and passes are going. I think keeping passes in high risk settings probably would have been a good idea.

I am quite surprised at how much the vaccine mandates have eased, particularly for teaching.

I do wonder how vaccination for Covid 19 (specifically as opposed to other vaccinations) interfaces with health and safety law, after the Covid-19 legislation no longer applies, as that sort of is the only avenue left for employers who mandate it.

The thing is why delay the phasing out of scanning by a few days. Is anyone going to do it now as a result of this.? They may have well just phased it out immediately, especially as many people are not doing it now anyway. Many people are only going to the supermarket or essential things at the moment, so know where they have been.

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#2891430 24-Mar-2022 15:33

Legislative changes can't happen overnight

They need to be written out and signed off by the...Governor general?

So phasing out is often exactly that. Until it changes. It's still law.

It's a seatbelt. Nothing changes for me. Habit. And requirements of employment to keep track.

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#2891433 24-Mar-2022 15:36

Called briefly into one local cafe at earlier this afternoon. Previously always asked to see Vaccine Pass but not this time. So yes (based on a sample of one!), seems to be taking immediate effect. Also briefly in another, but they never asked to see the passes.

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#2891435 24-Mar-2022 15:42

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#2891781 24-Mar-2022 23:49

Oblivian: Legislative changes can't happen overnight

They need to be written out and signed off by the...Governor general?

I agree but didn't they make some of the changes to take effect immediately. Maybe those immediate changes didn't it.

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#2891811 25-Mar-2022 08:27

DS248:

freitasm:

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#2891827 25-Mar-2022 09:12

Oblivian: Legislative changes can't happen overnight

They need to be written out and signed off by the...Governor general?

So phasing out is often exactly that. Until it changes. It's still law.

It's a seatbelt. Nothing changes for me. Habit. And requirements of employment to keep track.

Pretty sure there was never a law that said you had to scan in, there was a law that said shops had to display them but scanning in was always an "ask"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450916/govt-police-unable-to-enforce-mandatory-scanning-of-qr-codes

""If someone refuses to scan in, there is no expectation or requirement that businesses or locations should force a customer or visitor to scan in or provide their details for contact tracing purposes," a spokesperson for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet said."...

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#2891840 25-Mar-2022 09:44

wellygary:
Oblivian: Legislative changes can't happen overnight

They need to be written out and signed off by the...Governor general?

So phasing out is often exactly that. Until it changes. It's still law.

It's a seatbelt. Nothing changes for me. Habit. And requirements of employment to keep track.

Pretty sure there was never a law that said you had to scan in, there was a law that said shops had to display them but scanning in was always an "ask"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450916/govt-police-unable-to-enforce-mandatory-scanning-of-qr-codes

""If someone refuses to scan in, there is no expectation or requirement that businesses or locations should force a customer or visitor to scan in or provide their details for contact tracing purposes," a spokesperson for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet said."...

Let me clarify in more depth

The changes implemented for the traffic lights system. And contact tracing. Are very specific. They mention the tools used. What business are required to display and so on. All pertaining to the way they must be displayed. Manual means provided etc.

It's hard coded into the wording.

They now intend to change that wording to match the statement at press conf. It is not all being 'dropped' as everyone and the media would believe with the shortened headlines etc

It still recommend to scan. And provide the details on the 'im positive ' submission form. It is a tool to keep allowing that.

However. the covid response act. Will, once adjusted. No longer mention the specifics I expect.

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https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0210/latest/whole.html#LMS536754

Changing that isn't as simple as 'done' after they meet and stand up at a conference soon after agreement of changing it. Which seems to be what people don't consider. We've agreed to... (And need to make the changes of such)

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#2891860 25-Mar-2022 10:16

mattwnz:

The thing is why delay the phasing out of scanning by a few days. Is anyone going to do it now as a result of this.? They may have well just phased it out immediately, especially as many people are not doing it now anyway. Many people are only going to the supermarket or essential things at the moment, so know where they have been.

I have to admit, I have stopped scanning and it appears most of NZ has too. There's not a lot of point when locations of interest aren't a thing. As you mention I'm really only going to an extremely limited range of places (ie about four, and one of those is a regular appointment anyway).

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