2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2445839 24-Mar-2020 21:46

debo:

The christchurch City Council has made bus rides free so people working in essential services can get around....

... but then cut the operating hours so nurses can no longer use them to get to morning shift or get home from afternoon shift.

Well that sucks. OTOH it should be easier to get a park. Ask Council if they'll allow indefinite / unmetered parking near the hospital.

In the middle of a highly infectious respiratory disease pandemic, I wouldn't feel comfortable to be on a bus full of nurses / doctors / hospital workers. As well as being essential, they're also probably workers with the most risk of becoming infected.

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#2445841 24-Mar-2020 21:49

Some humour in the situation.

“Police were called to a Napier Pak'n Save today after gang members began fighting over chicken ahead of the Covid-19 lockdown.

Officers were called at about 11.30am for the disorder which broke out in store, believed to be between Mongrel Mob and Black Power members and associates.

A witness at the store posted about the altercation on social media and said the parties were fighting in the middle of the store "over the last bag of f****ng chicken".

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#2445844 24-Mar-2020 21:59

danielparker:

I live next to the Waikato River. I have a Jetski. I can (and do) launch it into the river from my property with 0% chance of me seeing anyone outside of my 'bubble'. I dont have to travel anywhere.

I would be lucky to pass by 1 person per hour on the river, and certainly not closer than 2m (probably 50m) on a normal weekend day.

In my mind, this is fine, and will be within the level 4 rules.

Sigh. The law is just the floor. Just because it's within the law, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. If you have an accident, it will likely be quite serious and hospitalisation will be required. The hospital and doctors have enough to do -- trust me, I know because I live with one who works in the very department (albeit in a different hospital) that will be your first port of call in the event of an accident.

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#2445848 24-Mar-2020 22:04

And an end to Red Sheds campaign

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12319583

And with that the list has been modified slightly.

https://covid19.govt.nz/government-actions/covid-19-alert-level/essential-businesses/

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#2445849 24-Mar-2020 22:06

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#2445852 24-Mar-2020 22:11

Greater clarification seems to have been provided:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120512184/coronavirus-what-stores-and-services-are-still-open-during-lockdown

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#2445853 24-Mar-2020 22:12

Press release:

Media Release: Further guidance on essential services provided

Government Ministers met tonight and have provided further guidance on essential services that can continue to operate after midnight tomorrow.

MBIE Deputy Chief Executive Paul Stocks said the purpose of escalating New Zealand’s COVID-19 alert level to 4 was to stop the virus in its tracks and reduce contact between people.

“That’s why we need as many businesses as possible to close their premises now if our one shot at beating the virus is to be successful,” Mr Stocks said.

“Only the businesses absolutely essential to ensure the necessities of life, like supermarkets and pharmacies, can stay open. If in doubt, the business premises should be closed.

“So unfortunately the Warehouse needs to close its shops. Leaving them open to the general public creates too high a risk of further spreading the virus.

Mr Stocks says “big box” retailers like Bunnings, Placemakers and Mitre 10 can stay open to trade customers for essential purposes only.

“These retailers play an important part in the construction supply chain, but they cannot sell goods to the general public.”

Businesses that are a critical part of the supply chain for essential services are also able to continue operating, but must do so in a way that is safe.

“For example, if you make chemicals that are needed for our waste water plants, then we need you to keep operating at the minimum level required.”

In addition, dairies can continue to operate, but must observe strict physical distancing rules for customers.

“Dairies provide basic food items like bread and milk to people close to where they live, especially the elderly who may not be able to get to a supermarket. However, they will need to operate a strict ‘one-in one-out’ policy and they won’t be allowed to sell food prepared on the premises.

“If any dairy breaks the rules, we will shut it down. If there is evidence of systemic abuse, we will remove them from the essential services list.

“Food delivery services like Uber Eats and Deliver Easy pose a risk to human health. We cannot guarantee every kitchen operates strict food preparation controls or that everyone who works in a kitchen is well. Evidence overseas suggests the virus has been spread via poor food hygiene practices, so it’s a real risk we have to eliminate.

“For clarity, every restaurant, café and bar must close all aspects of their operation, including delivery.

“Delivery of food that is not pre-cooked will be allowed under strict health conditions. Many New Zealanders now receive their food via a delivery company and are in effect no different to a supermarket delivery option.

“Most people are able to purchase alcohol at supermarkets. On that basis liquor stores are being treated as other non-essential retail outlets and must close. The only exception to this are Licencing Trust Areas where there is nowhere else to purchase alcohol. These stores must operate a ‘one-in one-out’ policy.

“We are doing further work on online ordering of non-food products for home delivery to see if this type of retail can be conducted safely. We will update advice on this once further decisions are made.

“COVID-19 alert level 4 is not business as usual and means there will be significant restrictions on what New Zealanders are able to purchase. However, these changes are essential to stop the spread of the virus.

“We are ready to change the list if necessary. If we discover there are essential services that have not been made available we will react to that as we go.”

Further details on essential services:

Dairies to stay open, with “one-in one-out” rule
Food delivery prohibited, except meals on wheels and delivery of food not pre-cooked
Liquor stores closed, unless within a Licensing Trust Area and with “one-in one-out” rule
Self-service laundries can stay open, two-metre physical distancing to be enforced
Retirement villages included as an essential service
The Warehouse to close stores to the public
Bunnings, Placemakers, Mitre 10 and other retailers essential to the supply chain for building and construction can stay open to trade customers for essential purposes only
The Tiwai Point smelter exempt from closure
NZ Steel shut down in a way that allows for production to recommence easily
Pulp and paper plants to shut down non-essential elements in a way that allows for production to recommence easily while maintaining essential production
Methanex to remain in production, but at a scale consistent with stability of gas supply.

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#2445854 24-Mar-2020 22:12

And eat that, Domino's. Don't re-open.

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#2445856 24-Mar-2020 22:16

dejadeadnz:

And eat that, Domino's. Don't re-open.

I haven't had Domino's since 1992 and will continue to avoid their services even more after this attempt. @sbiddle knows why - I keep telling him how disgusting it is.

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#2445861 24-Mar-2020 22:34

Stanford researchers confirm N95 masks can be sterilized and reused with virtually no loss of filtration efficiency by leaving in oven for 30 mins at 70C / 158F.

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fo0rpe/stanford_researchers_confirm_n95_masks_can_be/

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#2445862 24-Mar-2020 22:39

We're being told, as per @freitasm's post above, to sneeze into our elbows, but people are busy hoarding toilet paper. Shows that some people really can't tell their arse from their elbow...