2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2446772 26-Mar-2020 01:02

For people looking into 3D printing of masks and whatnot, here's some interesting reading about a doctor whose experience is making stuff for use in Gaza. Specs are here.

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#2446774 26-Mar-2020 01:18

Hi guys,

I'm really glad that you pulled the extreme parachute. Believe me, you will be "glad" to have done it early. I am only here for a very short time and therefore only a few lines:
The consequent isolation seems to work (actually logical). A clear flattening can be seen and if you look at the statistics of the deaths / 1 million inhabitants, it looks very dark in some cities in Europe. Don't let it get this far, it's nasty and even nastier that you can see the effects with a delay of 14 days. People here in Germany are also asking when the whole thing will be over. For us, I appreciate that we have to be self-disciplined for at least the next two months. Our medical units are only facing the storm and are mainly occupied with providing protection masks and ventilators and that doesn't look too good at the moment. But we try - even the MIT guys are involved.

Make the best of it, you can do it too. ;-) All the best!

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#2446775 26-Mar-2020 01:33

Prince Charles tests positive for COVID 19 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52033845

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#2446776 26-Mar-2020 01:50

What puzzles me a bit is what is the endgame here? The government doesn’t seem to be talking about that. We hear about “flattening the curve” to allow the health system to cope. They are particularly likely to want to get it under control before the winter virus “advantage” makes it too hard to stop. That is sensible in itself.

But this is a virus that is unlikely to be eliminated worldwide with around 400000 cases so far, and virtually every country inflicted and carriers can have mild or no symptoms. Even if we contained it we’d have to keep out borders closed for years, with the associated effect on trade and tourism, till a vaccine became available or herd immunity overseas slowed it or it mutated to a less deadly form(the ultimate goal of any virus). The prospects don’t look that flash.

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#2446781 26-Mar-2020 02:58

The end game is eradication of all viable virus in New Zealand. We can still let travel occur between countries that also have managed to achieve this, and it looks like China will eradicate the disease, and continue to be our main trading partner for the foreseeable future.

Let's welcome our new 5G partner now that 5 eyes have been blinded.

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#2446784 26-Mar-2020 03:52

gchiu: The end game is eradication of all viable virus in New Zealand. We can still let travel occur between countries that also have managed to achieve this, and it looks like China will eradicate the disease, and continue to be our main trading partner for the foreseeable future.

Let's welcome our new 5G partner now that 5 eyes have been blinded.

Possibly, but it’s too early to say if China can eradicate it.

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#2446786 26-Mar-2020 06:00

From safetravel.govt.nz

Updated Border Measures for Self-Isolation of International Arrivals

On Wednesday 25 March, the New Zealand Government introduced further self-isolation requirements international arrivals into New Zealand. Every passenger entering New Zealand will be screened for COVID-19 on arrival. Passengers will be disembarked in small groups and met by Government officials at the gate. When passengers disembark the plane health officials will discuss self-isolation and transport arrangements and answer any questions passengers may have.

If passengers have a domestic transit flight, they will not be allowed to connect to that flight.

If a passenger is symptomatic on arrival, they will be tested and placed in an approved isolation facility for 14 days.

If a passenger is not symptomatic on arrival, they will be asked to explain their plan for self-isolation and transport arrangements to that place.

If passengers have a suitable self-isolation plan and transport arrangements, they will be escorted to their transport. They will also be checked on by Police within 72 hours to ensure you are in self-isolation.

If passengers have a suitable plan for self-isolation, but do not have suitable transport arranged, officials will arrange transport if that is possible within the local area. If transport is not possible, they will be placed in local accommodation, which has been approved for isolation for 14 days and will need to remain there even if your test result is negative. If you require hospital care, that will be arranged.

If passengers have no suitable plan in place for self-isolation, they will be placed in local low-level quarantine accommodation, which has been approved for isolation for 14 days. They will be transported there directly from the airport.

If passengers are placed in managed accommodation for the 14 day low-level quarantine isolation period, further information will be provided on what will happen after that, including planned transport through domestic flights..

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#2446789 26-Mar-2020 06:43

I have seen that there are Spark stores open during COVID-19

Although they are open 10-3PM in Palmerston North (I'm sure it is different all over the country and locations vary) But I wonder what precautions they are taking to protect team members and customers. Telco is an essential service I get that, but you would think business hubs would be the link in this chain to remotely triage accounts or issues. How is popping down to spark to get a screen protector for your phone considered essential.

I guess Telco all have a social responsibility in some way, but i'm super interested to see what responsibility they think they have in the retail space and how they approach safety of their team members. Mobiles are one of the worlds worst carriers of bacteria etc.

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#2446793 26-Mar-2020 07:02

Lastman:

What puzzles me a bit is what is the endgame here? The government doesn’t seem to be talking about that. We hear about “flattening the curve” to allow the health system to cope. They are particularly likely to want to get it under control before the winter virus “advantage” makes it too hard to stop. That is sensible in itself.

But this is a virus that is unlikely to be eliminated worldwide with around 400000 cases so far, and virtually every country inflicted and carriers can have mild or no symptoms. Even if we contained it we’d have to keep out borders closed for years, with the associated effect on trade and tourism, till a vaccine became available or herd immunity overseas slowed it or it mutated to a less deadly form(the ultimate goal of any virus). The prospects don’t look that flash.

no one knows. govt doesn't because no one knows. we are in the middlegame and brought to our knees by an object so tiny it doesn't even count as life form but yet has more intelligence than 7 billion humans combined. the 7 billion are forced now to live by faith.

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#2446795 26-Mar-2020 07:12

india shutdown gives rise to vigilante laws (dramatization, but possibly true) https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/asia/india-coronavirus-doctors-discrimination-intl-hnk/index.html

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#2446796 26-Mar-2020 07:28

Batman:

no one knows. govt doesn't because no one knows. we are in the middlegame and brought to our knees by an object so tiny it doesn't even count as life form but yet has more intelligence than 7 billion humans combined. the 7 billion are forced now to live by faith.

I liked the description of a virus as a "nano-bot" that steals our DNA to self-replicate. Seems to satisfy the "not life" definition for something parasitic.

Imagine how the religious and political nutters who've been going on about how it's "just the flu" would react if we had a sudden coordinated attack from flying sharks or tigers or little green men in flying saucers or even people who were a different colour or worshipped a different god to them, killing 10,000 people globally in a few weeks, threatening to kill millions. "The cure might be worse than the savage beasts?" - nah they'd change their mind on that very quickly.

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#2446797 26-Mar-2020 07:36

Lastman:

What puzzles me a bit is what is the endgame here? The government doesn’t seem to be talking about that. We hear about “flattening the curve” to allow the health system to cope. They are particularly likely to want to get it under control before the winter virus “advantage” makes it too hard to stop. That is sensible in itself.

But this is a virus that is unlikely to be eliminated worldwide with around 400000 cases so far, and virtually every country inflicted and carriers can have mild or no symptoms. Even if we contained it we’d have to keep out borders closed for years, with the associated effect on trade and tourism, till a vaccine became available or herd immunity overseas slowed it or it mutated to a less deadly form(the ultimate goal of any virus). The prospects don’t look that flash.

Nobody knows the endgame, do we bankrupt ourselves in the process and still face the inevitable? I am starting to have my doubts that what we are doing is correct. The amount of money we are throwing at this thing seems absurd. Future generations are going to have a huge debt to deal with. The economic consequences to NZ in my opinion are far more dire than the virus itself.

The only sensible way to combat this thing, and continue how we were is to have immunity. This can only be achieved two ways unfortunately. No amount of money/debt is going to solve that. What we need is lots of negative pressure rooms, a couple thousand respirators, and space for the sick. That is what China did, and they got on top of it early. Nobody seems to be talking about this stuff.

All hope is now to see what happens in the next 4 week, by then we should at least have a good idea if we going to have it under control or not. If its out of control, are we are horribly unprepared? For now its a waiting game so we should sit tight.

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#2446798 26-Mar-2020 07:39

26 flights into AKL for the next 24 hours, thats dropped by just over half, so still plenty arriving

Mates kid works for Novotel, off on full pay for two weeks then thats probably it but they go back today as using that for incoming travellers. I assume just ones that are probable infected

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#2446799 26-Mar-2020 07:41

tdgeek:
26 flights into AKL for the next 24 hours, thats dropped by just over half, so still plenty arriving

Mates kid works for Novotel, off on full pay for two weeks then thats probably it but they go back today as using that for incoming travellers. I assume just ones that are probable infected

Read what I posted above. It is very clear who will go into low level quarantine.

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#2446801 26-Mar-2020 07:50

NumPy:

The only sensible way to combat this thing, and continue how we were is to have immunity. This can only be achieved two ways unfortunately.

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If it's out of control, are we are horribly unprepared?

There's no guarantee that we will have lasting immunity after infection (you don't with other related coronaviruses) and there's no guarantee that there will ever be an effective vaccine (for the same reason).

And yes - if it's out of control, we are horribly unprepared. The suggestions that it could kill tens of thousands of NZers is not an exaggeration.

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