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  #2450242 30-Mar-2020 18:51
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I personally can't think of a reason to do much about that except maybe people that moved with their families as kids but aren't a resident or citizen yet. If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk. I have no sympathy for these people given what is now playing out. Personal responsibility!!!

 

 

What tripe. We're talking about people who worked in safe jobs, with very little chance of losing them, suddenly discovering that something not seen since 1918 happened, and millions of Australians, including those working for what until weeks ago were healthy, profitable companies, are finding themselves left with no options. Combined with Australia banning international and domestic travel, and New Zealand issuing official advice they they don't want people flying over there either, these people are left with no help. Combined with the fact some of these people have paid taxes for years, even decades, and some even have children to Australian partners, and what do you expect them to do? Pack up their lives and move to a country they haven't seen in years, and have no community ties to? Pack up their families, who have lived in Australia all their lives, and drag them to a country they have never had connection to? That's assuming they can even get international flights.

 

I can't even say exactly what I think of this attitude while complying with the FUG.




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  #2450244 30-Mar-2020 18:57
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The quest for the coronavirus vaccine

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  #2450248 30-Mar-2020 19:05
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bmt:

 

I personally can't think of a reason to do much about that except maybe people that moved with their families as kids but aren't a resident or citizen yet. If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk. I have no sympathy for these people given what is now playing out. Personal responsibility!!!

 

 

As an Australian who has been lucky enough to live in New Zealand for 40 years, I think that Australian discrimination against New Zealanders (who are paying Australian taxes) is shameful - why can't Australia just reciprocate welfare arrangements with NZ?

 

It's not "unAustralian" or unreasonable to treat Kiwis like Aussies.

 

Breaking news is that Scomo may have relented - temporarily -  several years too late.   😕





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  #2450249 30-Mar-2020 19:06
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Kyanar:

 

bmt:

 

I personally can't think of a reason to do much about that except maybe people that moved with their families as kids but aren't a resident or citizen yet. If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk. I have no sympathy for these people given what is now playing out. Personal responsibility!!!

 

 

What tripe. We're talking about people who worked in safe jobs, with very little chance of losing them, suddenly discovering that something not seen since 1918 happened, and millions of Australians, including those working for what until weeks ago were healthy, profitable companies, are finding themselves left with no options. Combined with Australia banning international and domestic travel, and New Zealand issuing official advice they they don't want people flying over there either, these people are left with no help. Combined with the fact some of these people have paid taxes for years, even decades, and some even have children to Australian partners, and what do you expect them to do? Pack up their lives and move to a country they haven't seen in years, and have no community ties to? Pack up their families, who have lived in Australia all their lives, and drag them to a country they have never had connection to? That's assuming they can even get international flights.

 

I can't even say exactly what I think of this attitude while complying with the FUG.

 

 

Maybe calm down and address what I said?

 

If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk.

 

Nothing you have said does anything to override this. People travel overseas and take out travel insurance. In this case it is like travelling overseas and you can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition, but you still do it anyway. People happy to swan off to Australia thinking its all smiles and nothing could possibly go wrong, happy to live a better lifestyle and (generally) higher pay, but when it does hit the fan then its not their fault and someone else should fix it for them.


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  #2450250 30-Mar-2020 19:08
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bmt:

 

I personally can't think of a reason to do much about that except maybe people that moved with their families as kids but aren't a resident or citizen yet. If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk. I have no sympathy for these people given what is now playing out. Personal responsibility!!!

 

 

As an Australian who has been lucky enough to live in New Zealand for 40 years, I think that Australian discrimination against New Zealanders (who are paying Australian taxes) is shameful - why can't Australia just reciprocate welfare arrangements with NZ?

 

It's not "unAustralian" or unreasonable to treat Kiwis like Aussies.

 

Breaking news is that Scomo may have relented - temporarily -  several years too late.   😕

 

 

Yes, its a sucky policy especially given how NZ treats Aussies in NZ. Same deal with Australian raised NZ citizens being deported - a really bad policy but their policy nonetheless. 


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  #2450254 30-Mar-2020 19:16
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kingdragonfly: New cases 76


I was doing a bit of analysis from the list of covid-19 positive people published by the MoH https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases/covid-19-current-cases-details and, curiously, the numbers don't match... there's only 58 cases listed there for 29th.

 

I downloaded the Excel workbook - 57 confirmed cases plus 3 on the probable page. However, given this is in date format and MoH are reporting "in the last 24 hours" I'd expect there to be some variance. For instance, all confirmed cases are listed as 29/03/2020 so any cases reported this morning (30/03/2020), which are not yet in the workbook, won't yet be showing on the website page. One 'probable' in the workbook has todays date.

 

I imagine todays confirmations/probables will slowly get drip feed into the workbook but the figures will never match those quoted in briefings as it's likely those [briefing] figures are made up of cases from, at a guess, 1200hrs from the previous day to 1200hrs on the current day.

 

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  #2450267 30-Mar-2020 19:23
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bmt:

 

Maybe calm down and address what I said?

 

If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk.

 

Nothing you have said does anything to override this. People travel overseas and take out travel insurance. In this case it is like travelling overseas and you can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition, but you still do it anyway. People happy to swan off to Australia thinking its all smiles and nothing could possibly go wrong, happy to live a better lifestyle and (generally) higher pay, but when it does hit the fan then its not their fault and someone else should fix it for them.

 

 

Your argument would have merit if Australia said ok, since you get no benefit you don't have to pay any tax. Instead they are eating from both sides of the plate. Nevermind that those taxpaying Kiwis are supporting a lot of Australian beneficiaries.

 

 

 

 





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  #2450269 30-Mar-2020 19:24
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A quick visit inside the MRI scanner would have done something ...


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  #2450270 30-Mar-2020 19:26
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Time to get an new series of "The GC"


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  #2450273 30-Mar-2020 19:36
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Rikkitic:

 

bmt:

 

Maybe calm down and address what I said?

 

If somebody actively chooses to move to Australia it is well known there is no welfare safety net, and they do so at their own risk.

 

Nothing you have said does anything to override this. People travel overseas and take out travel insurance. In this case it is like travelling overseas and you can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition, but you still do it anyway. People happy to swan off to Australia thinking its all smiles and nothing could possibly go wrong, happy to live a better lifestyle and (generally) higher pay, but when it does hit the fan then its not their fault and someone else should fix it for them.

 

 

Your argument would have merit if Australia said ok, since you get no benefit you don't have to pay any tax. Instead they are eating from both sides of the plate. Nevermind that those taxpaying Kiwis are supporting a lot of Australian beneficiaries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not that many. Besides if they pay tax here....

 

Aussie is now giving kiwis job subsidies.

 

As long as they have been working at least 12 months they will get $1500 per fortnight. Way more generous than NZ.


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  #2450274 30-Mar-2020 19:38
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Rikkitic:

 

Your argument would have merit if Australia said ok, since you get no benefit you don't have to pay any tax. Instead they are eating from both sides of the plate. Nevermind that those taxpaying Kiwis are supporting a lot of Australian beneficiaries.

 

 

Why do you have to single out Kiwis in Aus? All non Australian residents/citizens also pay tax and are also not entitled to the benefit.

 

Its the same here in NZ. All non NZ residents/citizens (those on Visas) also pay tax and are also not entitled to the benefit here. Before I got my residence visa in NZ I could not vote, and even had to pay for my kids school fees, had no welfare safety net either. If I became homeless I would have been deported. Is NZ then also eating from both sides of the plate?

 

Kiwis in Aus can easily obtain Aussie benefits if they apply for citizenship/residence like everybody else.


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  #2450276 30-Mar-2020 19:45
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Radio NZ - Covid-19: Queenstown mayor 'incensed' over hostel party

 

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Queenstown Mayor Jim Boult says he is incensed about a party at a backpackers hostel last night, that happened despite the country being in Covid-19 lockdown.

 

Police visited the Deco Backpackers on Sunday night after reports 25 to 30 people were holding a party. ...

 

In a statement the hostel owners said their guests were not having a party, but rather a gathering with alcohol in the backyard of the hostel. ...

 



 

Yeah right.   🙃

 

 

Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the rick this "party' presents?  The backpackers are all in the same bubble.  They share kitchen and bathroom facilities.  If any of them have the virus then they all will catch it because of the shared facilities.  So how does having a 'party' increase that risk?


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  #2450277 30-Mar-2020 19:51
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It makes sense for the special category visa Kiwis in Australia to get that $1500 fortnight job keeper payment.  Without the payment they might still have a roof over their head but be forced to make many contacts with other people to get enough food to survive.  The Australian social service agencies will be plenty busy enough without having to try to look after destitute kiwis as well.


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  #2450278 30-Mar-2020 19:53
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debo:

 

Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the rick this "party' presents?  The backpackers are all in the same bubble.  They share kitchen and bathroom facilities.  If any of them have the virus then they all will catch it because of the shared facilities.  So how does having a 'party' increase that risk?

 

 

To quote from the cited article:

 

 

Asked about the party, the police commissioner Mike Bush said businesses such as this could be prosecuted.

 

"They decided that was their own self isolation bubble - that's very poor advice.

 

They've [been] very strongly advised to break into much smaller groups.

 

"Under my definition that's a mass gathering".

 





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