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  #2450393 31-Mar-2020 10:04
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I'm struggling to see the stupidity or violation of going surfing (assuming that it doesn't involve excessive travel to get there). Whilst surfing, you're not going to be within 2m of another person. To me, it falls into the category of enjoying nature. Obviously, there's no surf rescue service, but I believe that many surfers accept that risk all the time, surfing at beaches where it isn't available anyway. IANA surfer, BTW.

 

Equally, throwing frisbees at a park was labelled by Ashley Bloomfield as stupid. I don't see that... so long as the frisbee is only handled by people in your own bubble, I don't see it as more risky than walking in the park. I don't own a frisbee, BTW.

 

There seems to be a lowest common denominator approach, where people are being demonized for having fun, even though the activity doesn't risk spreading the virus. We're all supposed to be miserable together.

 

 

The stupidity of the above two activities is 100% obvious to any individual who is capable of looking beyond the tip of his/her nose and not just focusing on the curtailment of one's freedoms. In the event you have an accident or suffer a medical event whilst surfing, people might have to decide between saving your life (i.e. offering CPR) versus potentially exposing themselves to COVID-19. Allowing games in highly visible public areas encourage people to congregate and when caught in the moment, people's vigilance decreases and social distancing is minimised.

 

People are not being demonised for having fun. People are being called out for putting others at risk and limiting the efficacy of the lockdown for objectively trivial and frankly pathetic "gains" -- all in the name of asserting some kind of need when it's really all just about "Me! Me! Me!". And people like you who are mindlessly defending them are just as ridiculous and obnoxious.

 

 




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  #2450394 31-Mar-2020 10:06
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@frankv:

 

I'm struggling to see the stupidity or violation of going surfing (assuming that it doesn't involve excessive travel to get there). Whilst surfing, you're not going to be within 2m of another person. To me, it falls into the category of enjoying nature. Obviously, there's no surf rescue service, but I believe that many surfers accept that risk all the time, surfing at beaches where it isn't available anyway. IANA surfer, BTW.

 

Equally, throwing frisbees at a park was labelled by Ashley Bloomfield as stupid. I don't see that... so long as the frisbee is only handled by people in your own bubble, I don't see it as more risky than walking in the park. I don't own a frisbee, BTW.

 

 

If you are surfing or boating and need help in case of emergency then you are placing volunteers at risk of contamination.

 

As for the frisbee example, it came with "touch rugby" too. Does it need more to be said?

 

Is this too hard to understand? 

 

 

 

 

 

@frednz:

 

It's difficult to tell from the above whether or not you are permitted to drive your car a short distance to a park or walking track. However, the PM has said on several occasions that it is OK to do this.

 

 

If you can't walk to the park because of a physical condition, sure. But if you have to drive to a park because it is on the other side of the city, then it's being stupid.





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  #2450395 31-Mar-2020 10:08
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I think it's time to stop trying to find loopholes or coming up with lame excuses. Please stop the discussion of the "can I drive to play touch rugby on the park across town" discussions now. You are not helping.

 

 





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  #2450400 31-Mar-2020 10:34
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frankv:

 

 

 

I'm struggling to see the stupidity or violation of going surfing (assuming that it doesn't involve excessive travel to get there). Whilst surfing, you're not going to be within 2m of another person. To me, it falls into the category of enjoying nature. Obviously, there's no surf rescue service, but I believe that many surfers accept that risk all the time, surfing at beaches where it isn't available anyway. IANA surfer, BTW.

 

Equally, throwing frisbees at a park was labelled by Ashley Bloomfield as stupid. I don't see that... so long as the frisbee is only handled by people in your own bubble, I don't see it as more risky than walking in the park. I don't own a frisbee, BTW.

 

There seems to be a lowest common denominator approach, where people are being demonized for having fun, even though the activity doesn't risk spreading the virus. We're all supposed to be miserable together.

 

 

 

 

Its not about the virus risk. Its about you getting into strife and causing the authorities or public to break their bubble in rescuing you, and potentually using a hospital bed that could be for a virus victim if it got out of hand. Say you are infected, 6 people rush over to rescue you, you affect them, so now 6 bubbles are infected.

 

 


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  #2450401 31-Mar-2020 10:37
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I think that as members of these fora, we are making false assumptions as to the level of common sense out there. Sure, we know full well that if we stay in our bubble when at the park, then chucking a frisbee around should be fine.
But that's not how society and laws work - as Jim Jefferies mentioned in his monologue on gun control, we have to pander to the lowest common denominator.
On various Facebook pages, I've seen people asking why they shouldn't be able to go and visit their extended family, because "We're all related, and obviously not sick!" There was nothing malicious about it - they just didn't understand how the being infectious-but-not-symptomatic thing worked. 

 


These are the people who will see us throwing a frisbee around with the kids, staying safely in our respective bubbles, and they'll think "oh, it looks like it's OK to get some friends together and hang out." Again, a lot of the time, they're not doing this to be dicks - it's just because they don't know the difference.

 


This is the lowest common denominator that we have to focus with simple, easy-to-understand laws. 

 


"Don't drive to go out for exercise" is easy to understand.
"You can drive a short distance as long as you are only in your bubble and as long as you don't touch anything that other people will touch, including letting your dog go near someone else and as long as you don't pick up an ice-cream from the dairy on the way home" ends up in the types of loop-hole searching that we are now seeing.


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  #2450402 31-Mar-2020 10:39
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These leaflets are now being distributed into mailboxes (double-sided with content inside too including the Alert Levels and instructions):

 





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  #2450405 31-Mar-2020 10:48
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That's good. My neighbours on one side don't have any kind of internet so have limited access to info about this virus.


 
 
 

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  #2450406 31-Mar-2020 10:49
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dejadeadnz:

 

frankv:

 

Equally, throwing frisbees at a park was labelled by Ashley Bloomfield as stupid. I don't see that... so long as the frisbee is only handled by people in your own bubble, I don't see it as more risky than walking in the park. I don't own a frisbee, BTW.

 

 

What's to stop a child picking up the virus laden frisbee?  Extending your bubble the extent of how far you can chuck a frisbee is really stupid.

 

Now a boomerang .... that's different!


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  #2450407 31-Mar-2020 10:53
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Re. how far you should drive to a supermarket.   I think many people may stick to one local supermarket if they are very happy with the queue, sanitising, and other procedures.


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  #2450408 31-Mar-2020 10:56
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Is collecting your post essential? We have to drive to our PO Box and I cannot actually find anything that defines that.






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  #2450409 31-Mar-2020 10:59
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Geektastic:

 

Is collecting your post essential? We have to drive to our PO Box and I cannot actually find anything that defines that.

 

 

If it's a good question. Some boxes are inside a room and that would cause some problems if more people were there while you are collecting it - usually these are small and don't allow much space between people. I'd say no - contact NZ Post for clarification.





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  #2450410 31-Mar-2020 11:00
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frankv:

 

Equally, throwing frisbees at a park was labelled by Ashley Bloomfield as stupid.

 

 

Others have addressed this  comment enough, but I'll add one technical correction: the "Don't be stupid" remark about activities such as surfing, touch rugby, and frisbee at parks was actually made by John Ombler.

 

Re the information leaflet: I'm curious about the distribution timeframe. Ours arrived last week.


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  #2450435 31-Mar-2020 11:11
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kingdragonfly: 

Newsweek by Christina Zhao: Conservative pastor who refused to close church amid Coronavirus pandemic suggests God will help by multiplying toilet rolls.

 

What a load of BS and I hope it flows all over him. See how much toilet paper he conjures up then. When the BS splashes back he will need an outside hose. Oh - then he wont need the toilet paper. Perhaps spray the whole congregation at the same time.





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  #2450436 31-Mar-2020 11:11
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120666809/do-the-consequences-of-this-lockdown-really-match-the-threat

 

This sort of article needs a peer review before being published.

 

And stuff is not allowing comments.  Seems irresponsible.


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  #2450441 31-Mar-2020 11:16
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kingdragonfly: Washington Examiner by Nicholas Rowan: Coronavirus shutdowns place financial strain on churches

 

Though I am not a believer, (well there has to be an ET) I do believe everyone has a right to their FAITH but Pentecostal church's are the worse.

 

Faith is individualistic and immutable and incorruptible. 
Religion is a social construct, made by Man for Man to explain Faith, 
therefore it is fallible. 





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